Charity Entrepreneurship is bottlenecked by a lack of great animal founders

By Ben Williamson, Amalie Farestvedt šŸ”ø, Ambitious Impact @ 2025-09-29T15:14 (+186)

TL;DR - AIM’s applicants skew towards global health & development. We’ve recommended four new animal welfare charities, have the capacity to launch all four, but expect to struggle to find the talent to do so. If you’ve considered moving into animal welfare work, applying to Charity Entrepreneurship to launch a new charity in the space could be of huge counterfactual value.

 

Part 1: Why you should launch an animal welfare charity

Our existing animal charities have had a lot of impact—improving the lives of over 1 billion animals worldwide. - from Shrimp Welfare Project securing corporate commitments globally and featuring on the Daily Show, to FarmKind’s recent success coordinating a $2 million dollar fundraiser for the animal movement on the Dwarkshesh podcast, not to mention the progress of the 29 person army at the Fish Welfare Initiative, Scale Welfare’s direct hand-on work at fish farms, and Animal Policy International’s progress towards policy asks in NZ and the UK. This track record has earned them support from major funders and evaluators, such as Open Philanthropy and Animal Charity Evaluators.

We have four animal welfare ideas available for the February 2026 cohort.  We need a pipeline of new start-ups that will, in time, grow to become the Humane League’s and Shrimp Welfare Project’s of the future. We need more great professionals cutting their teeth and growing this movement. As an animal founder through the Charity Entrepreneurship program, you’d be helping us develop work on brand-new approaches to improving animal welfare. You’d be joining a passionate community of animal advocates while preventing suffering at a level that few other roles can match.

If launching an animal welfare organisation is something you’ve thought about, we strongly encourage you to consider applying for the upcoming February 2026 cohort.  

 

A few notes on counterfactual founder value

As AIM’s Director of Recruitment, a large part of my job centres around a painful paradox or seeming contradiction: we have an abundance of promising, well-intentioned people who apply to our programs, and yet we struggle at times to find enough applicants who we have real confidence can be fantastic builders of new non-profits. This is particularly the case in our animal welfare work. 

Animal welfare is a smaller space than global health & development, leaving a smaller total pool of potential great applicants. A smaller movement also means fewer organisations at which people can upskill, building the kinds of experience in leadership, stakeholder management, and project design that can separate a great charity from a good one. The animal welfare movement also skews somewhat younger than global health & development on average, meaning our applicants tend to be a bit more junior. In addition, a minority of our applicants are interested in founding animal welfare organisations compared to global health & development charities, further decreasing the pool of animal welfare founder talent.

Often, when I speak to fantastic potential candidates, they are concerned about how replaceable they’d be as a founder through the Charity Entrepreneurship program. ā€œWon’t my place on the program just be taken by someone who would do basically as good a job as me?ā€. 

This isn’t a perfectly easy or comfortable topic to speak on - sweeping generalisations about ā€˜talent’ or similar are a recruiter’s worst nightmare. Nevertheless, we have found that founder fit and talent are the single greatest drivers of charity success. Finding people who are exceptionally well-suited to launching an organisation, and the specific organisation they launch, might be the single biggest lever we have for increasing the impact of the Charity Entrepreneurship program. 

We run recruitment for animal welfare organisations once a year. Twelve months ago, we didn’t find enough great animal welfare founders. This meant we had fewer potential animal welfare founders on the program, reducing the range of possible co-founder pairs available to the founders we did accept. This contributed to two animal-focused participants in that cohort not founding organisations. In the end, we launched one animal welfare organisation, where we had hoped to launch three. We’d love to have an abundance of potential founders we’re confident can build organisations that help elevate the animal welfare movement. Sadly, this is not where we’re currently at. If you apply to the program and receive an offer, we wouldn’t just offer your place to someone else if you turned it down. More likely, we’d just have one fewer person in the cohort. 

That isn’t to say that everyone we reject couldn’t have been a great founder, or importantly, cannot be a great founder in the future. I do not doubt that we make mistakes in our selection process, rejecting people who would have been fantastic founders, though I believe this margin of error is fairly small. Every round, we work to close this gap further. 

Selecting for the cohort is a bet we take on imperfect information. With the huge amount of resources we pour into each charity we launch - training, pairing with another incredibly talented person, seed funding, and mentorship through our community - we’re reluctant to give out offers to people who we believe could be able to launch a good charity. We need people who we’re confident can launch a great organisation. If you think that could be you, I’d love to see you apply. If you know someone who you think could be a great animal welfare founder, please share this with them and nudge them to apply!

If you’re unfamiliar with the Charity Entrepreneurship program, or the ideas we’ve recommended for the next cohort, we’ve included a ā€˜Part 2’ below with more information…

Thanks for your support in helping us grow the animal movement.

 

Part 2 - The Charity Entrepreneurship Program & Our Latest Animal Welfare Ideas

 

What is the Charity Entrepreneurship Incubation Program?

The Charity Entrepreneurship Incubation Program helps driven individuals like you start evidence-based charities through a two-month training program. Before the program begins, our research team identifies the most promising interventions for global challenges such as animal welfare so that participants can turn them into cost-effective, high-impact charities.

 

Over two months, you’ll receive tailored training, expert mentorship, co-founder matching, and an average of Ā£100k in seed funding. Most of the program is online, with two in-person weeks at our London office. You can read more about the program here.

 

Our recommended animal welfare ideas for 2026

We’re excited that applications are open for the animal welfare cohort of the Charity Entrepreneurship Incubation Program. The February–March 2026 round features four promising animal welfare ideas, ready to launch if we find the right animal welfare talent:

 

1. Driving supermarket commitments to shift diets away from meat 

A new team could help reduce the welfare and climate footprint of our food system by encouraging supermarkets to increase the percentage of protein sales from plant-based sources compared to animal proteins. The non-profit would advocate for protein sales ratio commitments by a target year (e.g., 60:40 plant:animal protein sales by 2040) by conducting corporate campaigns and providing technical assistance to supermarkets to encourage consumer purchasing of plant-based protein. Early progress in the Netherlands shows strong potential, with major supermarkets committing to 60% plant protein to 40% animal protein sales ratios by 2030.

More details and report here.
 

2. Securing scale-up funding for the alternative protein industry 

A policy non-profit would work hand-in-hand with governments to introduce finance tools to help alternative protein producers scale production (e.g., loan guarantees). We think scale-up financing is a barrier to plant-based protein scale and price competition, but it remains neglected in the advocacy ecosystem.  Drawing lessons from industries like clean energy, the non-profit will push for policies that give alternative protein companies access to scale-up funding from governments, which could also reduce investment risk and unlock private capital.

 More details and report here.

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Please note that, in addition to the above ideas, two previously recommended animal welfare ideas will be available to the February 2026 cohort, as these were not successfully launched in 2024:

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3. Cage-free farming in the Middle East 

​This nonprofit would lead corporate campaigns in the Middle East to secure cage-free commitments from major food companies and improve conditions for laying hens. 'Good-cop' corporate campaigning, framing cage-free sourcing as a business opportunity for retailers and food companies, is very neglected in the Middle East (United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt). The charity would build relationships with corporate decision-makers, offer technical assistance, and highlight high-welfare egg products' branding and consumer appeal. Research report available here.


4. Preventing painful injuries in laying hens 

This new organisation would work with farmers to reduce the prevalence of keel bone fractures (KBF), one of the most prevalent and painful conditions that affect cage-free layer hens. The team would work with egg producers and standard-setting bodies to encourage measures that reduce the incidence or severity of keel bone fractures, such as nutritional feed supplements, improved lighting, better perch materials, or selective breeding.  

Research report available here.

 

Applications close on October 5thApply here

 


Jeffrey Kursonis @ 2025-10-01T18:10 (+15)

Given leadership literature is rife with stories of rejected individuals going on to become great leaders, and your current problem from this post. Wouldn’t it make sense to just recalibrate your criteria and accept more you might have rejected before? Maybe you’ve been off. Always accept enough to hit your quota. To miss your quota and still have many rejected applicants sitting there seems way too high confidence in yourselves and your criteria. Disrupt yourself. 

I call these the hidden gems, maybe you’re not good at identifying them. 

Also, why don’t you put out more open calls to have applicant’s come start any kind of animal welfare org they want, not just your four pre-imagined ones? This issue always seems so bassackward to me with AIM. Motivation arises within people’s own hearts and minds — not from an outside party who assigns them four choices. In a million years I couldn’t imagine rising with motivation to someone else’s idea rather than to my own. Certainly to modifying my idea, yes. (I’m a serial social entrepreneur and have mentored hundreds). 

It’s not just AIM, all of EA has been shooting its own foot since inception with its criteria for accepting people. Don’t follow their example. Find more experienced veterans. Don’t consider so highly academic backgrounds. Develop new creative criteria and testing like Facilitative Interpersonal Skills (FIS) screening to find highly socially gifted people, a major need in founders. 

Many people don’t mature enough to pursue high status colleges when young, later they might have, but it just wasn’t in them to bother with that at age 18, yet they became leaders of various things in their lower status college. Holding choices they made when having barely emerged from childhood against them and rejecting them because of it is insanity if you sanely want to mentor world changing leaders. Smart on paper but socially awkward works sometimes, other times the opposite is better, gems can go either way, you have to get better at sussing them out. Pairing them is good. Disrupt your own thinking and EA culture. 

Rather than just applications run a mentoring program and suss them out. The ones who aren’t founders might be operations champions or tech leads. Have two cofounders come out with an OPs/admin person, enlarge your budgets to accommodate. 

We are mostly Western in EA which is 15% of humanity. Add in a few non Western hot spots and around 25% of the world does almost all science, research and innovation. That means 75% of human brains are sitting on the sideline and not in the game. With all our existential and long term challenges, humanity is only deploying 25% of its resources. If longterm future humans could look back at us today, they’d be aghast. Deploying MORE of us is the only winning path, not rejecting more. 

Or don’t disrupt and carry on with the small EA we have which could and should be five times bigger. Einstein had something to say on this. 

ps. If you want to imagine and start more charities, the 75% is there ready to get in the game. That’s my gig. 

Toby TremlettšŸ”¹ @ 2025-10-02T09:09 (+23)

This comment is missing the fact that AIM is one of the organisations most seriously working on cause prioritisation with their research - it represents a massive part of their expected impact. For that reason I'd be way less excited about AIM's work if they allowed applicants to come in with their own ideas for charities (and other EA donors would be too). 

BTW this only replies to one idea in your comment.

Jeffrey Kursonis @ 2025-10-02T09:40 (+1)

Yes that’s valuable, but I’d say it’s pretty easy to synthesize their cause priorities with founders own motivations. For example, keep the list going for every new round, so there’s 20-30 choices, all just as worthy as they were last year. Two orgs coming at one cause with different approaches is great. This same problem exists throughout EA when we imagine we can truly figure out what needs to be done based on the ITN framework. It’s a great framework, I love it, but the reality of making impact in the real world in a cause you’ve prioritized is that there are infinite angles to approach each one. Between two broad approaches are infinite degrees of adjustment to approach it. The world is too big to figure it out in advance, so allow founder interest to guide to which approach you will take. To imagine researchers in a room in the U.K., not in the field, having no personal knowledge of the cause overall and specific challenges on the ground, to be able to figure it out on paper is an intellectual arrogance. The world is too big, you can’t figure it out. So be practical and let talent guide you. We can only do what we have the talent to do. Don’t muzzle your one pragmatic chance to do something. 

Toby TremlettšŸ”¹ @ 2025-10-02T09:46 (+9)

I think founder interest is important, but not that important. 
For example, Andres from the Shrimp Welfare Project often talks about how he never saw himself running a shrimp charity until he engaged with the arguments as part of the program. What's unique about EA is its focus on the problems themselves, and not the existing interests of donors or founders. 

I take this "The world is to big to figure it out in advance, so allow founder interest to guide to which approach you will take" as a good encapsulation of what you're arguing, and I disagree. Founder interest is a much less useful signal than the results of careful cost benefit research. Yes we'll always be uncertain, but that doesn't mean we can't do better when we think carefully. 

Toby TremlettšŸ”¹ @ 2025-10-02T09:51 (+10)

Also, separately, I expect that being given a list of charity ideas you don't have existing interest in and still wanting to pursue the program is a good filter for the humility/ responsiveness to the actual world that you need to be a good charity founder. 

Jeffrey Kursonis @ 2025-10-02T10:07 (+3)

Yes there’s always going to be an Andres where it works out well. And everyone knows AIM has done well…but I think they could have done ten times better. EA could be five to ten times bigger if they would cure the ailment you so love. 

The difference between my view and AIM/EA broadly is the difference between on the ground real life experience in how humans are motivated and an attempt to figure out reality via spreadsheet & analysis in a room. Believe me I’m an EA and I love EA very much. I never digressed to hedging my love by being "EA adjacent" as some. I've maintained being fully public EA. I’m not rejecting EA’s core project to use science to be more effective in altruism,  I’m saying to modify it with some common sense. EA funding all sorts of new charities from 25 year olds with a napkin plan and not seeking veterans is one example. I love the 25 year olds with a napkin, but don’t only do that. Go find some veterans too. Don’t only do six causes each new round at AIM, open it up and do ā€œboth andā€, both the new one's and the ongoing list of past one's. 

Some donors like EAs current narrow way, probably ten times more would like it to be far more pragmatic with deeply experienced field advisors and not only a few researchers in a room calling shots. Both and. EA is religious in its legalism. 

By the way, you do a good job here, I appreciate you. 

Toby TremlettšŸ”¹ @ 2025-10-02T10:54 (+2)

Interesting but I'm still not sure - there are clearly costs to a 'both and' approach. AIM would be vastly less impactful if most of the founders who joined ignored their list of recommended charities. 

However, I am a 25 year-old with a napkin (lol, good phrase)

Appreciate the exchange though, thanks Jeffrey! 

PS- draft amnesty week is coming up if you want to lay out your ideas for more people to discuss. 

Ben Stewart @ 2025-10-03T18:48 (+19)

"Given leadership literature is rife with stories of rejected individuals going on to become great leaders"

The selection effect can be very misleading here — in that literature you usually don't hear from all the individuals who were selected and failed, nor those who were rejected correctly and would have failed, and so on. Lots of advice from the start-up/business sector is super sus for this exact reason.

MvKšŸ”ø @ 2025-10-02T12:28 (+12)

"Also, why don’t you put out more open calls to have applicant’s come start any kind of animal welfare org they want, not just your four pre-imagined ones?"

This may have changed, but AIM did at least previously let candidates pitch their own ideas - I know of at least one person in my cohort that came in with their own project. Admittedly, this is rare, but that is probably what we should expect if as an applicant with an idea, you are up against a team of researchers with a cumulated expertise and experience of decades who have done several of these investigations, can compare ideas, have privileged access to data about how likely it is to find the right founders, obtain funding etc. 

MvKšŸ”ø @ 2025-10-02T12:21 (+10)

"The ones who aren’t founders might be operations champions or tech leads."

Ambitious Impacts graduates (including me) have in fact gone on to do a variety of things from operations to research and grantmaking. 

But maybe I'm missing your point? I've generally found it a bit hard to understand that paragraph and other sections. 

ThomNorman @ 2025-10-06T10:38 (+8)

"It’s not just AIM, all of EA has been shooting its own foot since inception with its criteria for accepting people. Don’t follow their example. Find more experienced veterans. Don’t consider so highly academic backgrounds."

In general, I'm somewhat sympathetic to the claim that EA in general can be too focused on young graduates from a few Universities, but I think its pretty hard to make that charge stick on AIM.

Some people who go through the program did indeed go to Ivy League/Oxbridge Unis, but many (including me) did not and the cohorts have a diverse range of people with different life experiences.

It is my understanding that AIM does try to attract people who have a lot of experience as well as young people, but, as I'm sure you can appreciate, when the 'job' includes almost no job security, low pay and potentially needing to relocate to the other side of the world, its often more attractive to younger folk with fewer commitments.

If you are considering not applying because you don't think you have the right 'CV' (for any reason) I would strongly recommend you DO apply. I almost counted myself out for this reason and I am very glad I put in my application.

Jason @ 2025-10-06T18:21 (+4)

And there may be a tradeoff between attracting more experienced candidates and moving to a model where more charities are founded but a greater percentage of them fail. For example, some career fields are less likely to look kindly on someone doing something in left field and then trying to return if the new career was unsuccessful. Some of that is unavoidable, but I expect that being selective with founders and not having more incubated charities than could plausibly get midrange funding would reduce the risks to mid-career folk.

Jeffrey Kursonis @ 2025-10-06T16:35 (+1)

This is a heartening reply. I’m also glad you put yours in and got in. Let me ask you from your observations, when you say diverse, could you expand on that. Is it really all mixed up or is it mostly 25 year olds and one 37 year old. Was there anyone post 45? Your point about it being more doable for younger people is a good one, but I think we mostly are known about by young people. There’s plenty of 35-55 year olds in career transitions that if they knew would apply, and often they have some security so the transition is affordable. I’d love to hear more about how actively AIM pursues them. I’d be glad to update. 

Jason @ 2025-10-03T00:41 (+6)

I suspect some of this comes down to funding constraints, which are quite significant in both global health & animal welfare. "[R]un[ning] a mentoring program and suss[ing] them out" is expensive. "[E]nlarg[ing] your budgets to accommodate" an extra person at launch is expensive. The harsh reality is that much of the money invested in AIM or early-stage charities would have counterfactually gone to GiveWell or ACE-recommended charities instead. That's a high bar.

If you think the AIM ecosystem's cost-effectiveness is about the same as the counterfactual use of donor resources under the current operating procedures, then reducing the founder selection bar to meet a quota, or accepting project proposals that are in expectancy not as strong as AIM's own proposals, could have a net negative effect on the world once the counterfactuals were considered.

(Not all of your ideas would raise this concern -- for example, if you are right that AIM puts too much weight on academic pedigree, then adjusting that weight downward should improve cost-effectiveness).
 

Jeffrey Kursonis @ 2025-10-03T01:44 (+8)

I appreciate what you're saying. If you want to be EA orthodox. I'm talking about evolving EA and changing some things. 

It is most assuredly NOT expensive to run a mentoring program. It's a hugely significant pipeline of candidates coming in that you are getting a much deeper insight into than just a short application process, and it's value greatly exceeds its cost. All you have to do is spread it to all the members of AIM, rather than pay for a new department, ie. each member of AIM takes on mentoring a few people. That's great for the whole org and infuses it with exactly the culture a charity enabling org should have. 

As for the quota, isn't that self set, so the budget is there to choose 25 people. If instead you choose only 20 because your criteria rejected the rest, now you have a budget excess. Don't do that, it's far better to take a risk on the five you weren't sure of, because the budget is already there, and if even one of them turned out to be a hidden gem, you got them instead of losing them. 

In hits based thinking, which is an EA staple, that's what you do, you sign 25 bands and only a few make a hit record, but that's enough to support the whole process. The point is that the researcher's in AIMs back room choosing the cause priorities are most definitely not the arbiters able to pick the best hits. They can't do it alone, they never will, and it was a fools errand to think they could. Everyone knows there's no magic formula for picking a hit record, you just have to sign a bunch of bands and let them go crazy and see what happens. EA is effectively saying, "No. We think we can use science and spreadsheets to pick the hit songs". Nope. Doesn't work (world too big). But most definitely get some people in the back room working on that (Go researchers, we love you!), just don't let that be the only thing you do...you also have to go out to the clubs and see what the kids are dancing to. (ie. bring in more veteran field workers into the process, have a mentoring pipeline, change your criteria a lot to include more and reject less, rather than just researchers in the back room). 

Both in science, in music, in movies, nobody knows where the next hit will come from, so get broader and accept more. 

Jason @ 2025-10-06T20:00 (+5)

Thanks -- this is helpful in understanding different assumptions at play here.

At the outset, I'm inclined to defer to AIM -- not because I am inclined to defer to EA orgs in general, but because experience suggests that nonprofits (and other types of entities witout market discipline as well) are much more likely to err by expanding to fill available budget than by constricting their activities. So while it's certainly possible that AIM has misjudged the tradeoffs, I start at a place of some deference.

All you have to do is spread it to all the members of AIM, rather than pay for a new department, ie. each member of AIM takes on mentoring a few people.

If the AIM staff have available bandwidth, I'm guessing there are a number of different projects they could take on. We don't know what the counterfactual use of staff time would be.

As for the quota, isn't that self set, so the budget is there to choose 25 people. If instead you choose only 20 because your criteria rejected the rest, now you have a budget excess. 

An organization does not have to spend its budget; it can spend less and then has to fundraise less for next year. If I recall correctly, AIM is very conscious of what the likely counterfactual use of funds donated to it would be.

I think this is a stronger point insofar as the relevant costs are fixed / sunk at the point of selection. I know some are, and some aren't, but don't know the relative proportions. (Note that I would include the broader ecosystem's costs, such as seed funding from non-AIM sources.)

Everyone knows there's no magic formula for picking a hit record, you just have to sign a bunch of bands and let them go crazy and see what happens.

This metaphor doesn't work for me very well. In GHD/AW work, we have the ability to get a great return off of the existing catalog of "artists" (non-profits). In contrast, assume it is hard to invest money at good returns in any musical artist who has already proven themselves. Also, the hypothetical music investor should be willing to make investments as long as the expected value of the investment is positive; there is no pre-determined hard cap on funding available (and the investor should be able to get as much funding as they can find good investment targets). In contrast, the charitable "investor" obtains impact (which isn't convertible into money) and so is limited by the size of their bankroll.

There's a limited amount of seed and mid-stage funding available, so I would have concerns about exceeding the ecosystem's carrying capacity. The practical effect of significantly increased cohort sizes may be moving more of the culling decisions from AIM to the early funders. That strikes me as having some upsides and downsides.

  • To the extent that one thinks there should be more seed/mid-stage funding (and is willing to accept the counterfactual reduction in funding for established charities), that isn't really in AIM's power to control.

In the end, my napkin model (low confidence) goes something like this:

  • Investing in AIM and its early-stage incubated charities, under current operating conditions, is slightly more cost-effective than the GiveWell or ACE alternatives.
  • AIM has moderate ability to identify founders that are more likely to be successful.
  • AIM has moderate ability to identify projects that are more likely to be successful.

That model doesn't rely on a belief that AIM is great at identifying good founders or projects. But it does suggest that being less selective could easily flip the decision to donate within the AIM ecosystem vs. the GiveWell or ACE ones.

nicolejohnson @ 2025-10-02T08:09 (+4)

I have to agree with most of what you have said here. I understand the idea behind focusing on where you can do the most good, but that is going to look different for everyone. You won't find the people that you are looking for by only giving them these four options to choose from.

I also have to agree with your comment regarding young individuals not pursuing prestigious colleges at a young age and will use myself as an example. I never finished my degree due to ADHD (although I'm actively working on changing that). I am, however, great with people. Leading is where I excel. I also know financial accounting since I spent 10 years working with them. I have spent a lifetime in animal advocacy. That work includes being a cofounder of a small animal organization that is still operating 10 years later and has had a huge impact on our community all without the use of grants. I've also been published advocating for captive wild animals and currently have a 27-page business plan drafted for a new nonprofit that will allow me to expand my reach while advocating for animals. However, due to not having a finished degree and having managerial titles vs. executive titles on my CV, the chances of me qualifying are quite slim.

With that being said, I haven't bothered to apply because, quite frankly, none of these ideas interest me. They are a bit ahead of current times in my opinion. I think there are some fights that still need to be finished before we attempt to tackle what millions of people around the globe are eating. Not that I agree with factory farming by any means, but it's difficult to find the motivation to advocate for a food source when we haven't even effectively stopped people from buying puppies from puppy mills, slowed down the abuse and neglect of animals in countries like Egypt, slowed down mass culling of animals in certain countries, or even managed to convince Americans to stop going to circuses that use wild animals. Why would I jump into a project, putting my heart and soul into it, when I can see that society clearly isn't ready for it yet because so many fights are still unresolved.

I also think there are much more pressing issues that should be addressed that better meet the idea of Effective Altruism. Wild animal welfare being one of those as it supports biodiversity which is what this planet needs to survive.

Jason @ 2025-10-03T01:08 (+4)

when we haven't even effectively stopped people from buying puppies from puppy mills

I'm curious about effectively stopped here (cf. also unresolved). It's often the case that the addressing the first (say) 50% of a problem is significantly easier than the last (say) 20%. And so it doesn't strike me as surprising that it would be more effective to move on to mitigate new issues rather than devote a large amount of resources in an attempt to fully resolve previously worked-on issues.

SiobhanBall @ 2025-10-02T07:23 (+4)

'To miss your quota and still have many rejected applicants sitting there seems way too high confidence in yourselves and your criteria' - bang on the money! And I agree this is an EA-wide phenomenon. I'm gonna go look up who you are now because I'm curious! 

SiobhanBall @ 2025-09-29T17:37 (+8)

I'll do all four of them if you like! šŸ’ŖšŸ½

... given how much more productive it's possible to be now, I'm only half-joking. 

Fai @ 2025-10-01T05:02 (+4)

Thank you for the post! I have a question.

3. Cage-free farming in the Middle East

I wonder if this org, if incubated, might potentially expand to the issue of caged broiler farming?

Aidan Alexander @ 2025-10-03T20:54 (+5)

It’d be up to the founders, but I’d guess it would make sense to focus on layers in the Middle East until hitting diminishing returns there. After that, how to scale would likely depend on what the team’s comparative advantage is: Expertise and connections within the Middle East context (such that different asks in that context makes sense) or expertise at cage free campaigns specifically (such that the same ask in a different context makes sense) 

Fai @ 2025-10-04T03:39 (+4)

Thanks for the reply!

it would make sense to focus on layers in the Middle East until hitting diminishing returns there. 

I wonder why you hold this view. It seems to me that for the caged layer issue, it's a reversion problem because the vast majority of laying hens in the Middle East are already caged, while for the caged broiler issue, it can still be seen as a prevention problem because many broilers are still not yet in caged systems. And it seems to me that it's plausible that a prevention might be easier and more effective than a reversion?

Aidan Alexander @ 2025-10-05T10:55 (+2)

I have no idea about that. I’m not talking about whether cage free or broiler work is a better idea for a new organization — I’m answering your question about whether an org that started off doing caged free might expand to broiler :)

devid-jhon @ 2025-09-30T11:33 (+3)

I agree this is an important point the animal movement needs more strong founders, and targeted support like mentorship, training, and small trial grants could really help unlock that potential.