Repost: The Centre for Effective Altruism's CEO says, "Bankman-Fried doesn’t represent the ideas of effective altruism or the movement of people who support them."
By Deborah W.A. Foulkes @ 2024-03-28T16:28 (–1)
This is a linkpost to https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/28/sam-bankman-fried-effective-truism-fraud/
Stefan_Schubert @ 2024-03-28T17:17 (+53)
EA's CEO says Sam Bankmann-Fried was never an effective altruist
I don't think the piece says that.
Jason @ 2024-03-29T02:48 (+4)
The title of the piece is: "Sam Bankman-Fried, the effective altruist who wasn’t." I don't think <the self-styled effective altruist who actually wasn't one> is an implausible interpretation of that ambiguous title. Other plausible-to-me interpretations include: <the former effective altruist who wasn't one at the end">, <the effective altruist who wasn't a true EA>, etc.
Of course, "EA's CEO" wasn't accurate (which the linkposter changed), and I would not assume that the CEO wrote the headline. But I do think a lack of clarity in the headline is at play here.
JP Addison @ 2024-03-28T16:54 (+27)
I think it's a pretty important distinction that "EA" is a question which has no CEO, while the Centre for Effective Altruism does. I recommend changing the title here.
Deborah W.A. Foulkes @ 2024-03-28T17:54 (+4)
Thanks, done!
Kaleem @ 2024-03-28T16:55 (+2)
I was going to suggest the same thing but I wanted to be able to read the article before pointing this out
lilly @ 2024-03-28T17:00 (+13)
I think it's a nice op-ed; I also appreciate the communication strategy here—anticipating that SBF's sentencing will reignite discourse around SBF's ties to EA, and trying to elevate the discourse around that (in particular by highlighting the reforms EA has undertaken over the past 1.5 years).
Owen Cotton-Barratt @ 2024-03-28T20:09 (+5)
I haven't downvoted, but this is attracting several downvotes, and I thought I'd try to articulate some negative feelings I have here:
- First, as Stefan has noted, the summary seems inaccurate: Zach's article nowhere claims that Sam was never an effective altruist
- I think it's bad form to put sensationalist takeaways in a summary when they don't appear in the article, and feel not great about the link as a result
- I do think that seeing it linked in this way primed me to be more negative about the article (and the notes below reflect that)
- I have mixed feelings about that (maybe it would have been better to see it without anchoring, but also there's something good about looking at things we love with critical eyes)
- Second cluster, some negativity towards the article
- Could be summarized as "Except ... it's kind of right, though?" of the summary linked here. While the article never says Sam was never an EA in so many words, that's kind of the vibe that's carried through it
- It doesn't acknowledge the (IMO real) possibility that Sam's errors were in part inspired by misguided readings of effective altruism
- The judge slammed Sam in part for "evasive, hairsplitting" testimony and "never a word of remorse"
- It seems like maybe Zach's article errs just a little in these directions (although far less egregiously, and certainly not lying or covering up any crime)
- I have some feeling like it may be appropriate to go out of the way now (and especially on this topic) to try not to make any of Sam's mistakes
- The judge slammed Sam in part for "evasive, hairsplitting" testimony and "never a word of remorse"
- I have mixed feelings about the impact I expect this to have on readers
- I think it says a lot of true things and I think that if taken at face value will make many people's impressions more accurate
- However, I also think some proportion of insightful readers may pick up on some PR-vibes and have this reinforce an impression that effective altruism may still be vulnerable to some of the errors that Sam made
- Probably it's good overall, compared to no such article? But I wonder if there might have been some version of the article that I'd have felt more straightforwardly good about
I guess that many of the downvotes are likely based on one or the other of these clusters (or both, although the two complaints are in some tension with one another).
(edited for clarity and to restructure the bullet point nesting)
Deborah W.A. Foulkes @ 2024-03-29T06:14 (+8)
Phew! It's much harder to write an effective (no pun intended) headline than I thought! :-). Have changed it to include an actual quote, which I hope is sufficiently representative of the article's content.
Kaleem @ 2024-03-28T16:53 (+3)
Can you post a non-paywalled version, if possible?
Deborah W.A. Foulkes @ 2024-03-28T17:59 (+3)
If you register with them you can view a number of articles for free.
Lorenzo Buonanno @ 2024-03-28T17:00 (+2)
You can use https://archive.is/ to read paywalled articles, depending on your ethical views on the matter