A Useful Distinction: Card-Carrying Effective Altruists Versus Philosophical Effective Altruists
By Omnizoid @ 2023-01-29T20:11 (+16)
Also posted to my blog here https://benthams.substack.com/p/a-useful-distinction-card-carrying
Suppose one thinks the following two things.
Everything that has ever been done by an effective altruist is bad.
One should do good as effectively as possible.
Would this person be an effective altruist? It’s not clear. On the one hand, they are broadly not on board with the effective altruist movement. On the other, they support the philosophical underpinning of EA.
I think we need two separate terms; card-carrying effective altruists and philosophical effective altruist. A philosophical effective altruist is one who thinks that, on a philosophical level, one ought to try to do good as effectively as possible. A card-carrying effective altruist is one who does things that are endorsed by most effective altruists—e.g. donating to the against malaria foundation, working in an effective careers, perhaps going to EA meetups.
Failing to distinguish these things results in confusion. For example, people will often criticize EAs by arguing that, for example, the against malaria foundation doesn’t do much good. Putting aside the truth of the claim, this certainly isn’t an argument against philosophical effective altruism. But it is a good reason to not be a card-carrying effective altruist.
Imagine that one was a socialist ideologically, but they thought that all actually existing socialist parties were dangerous. It would be useful to think of them as being a philosophical socialist, in that they want socialism, but not a card-carrying socialist. After all, they’re opposed to every actually existing socialist movement.
Getting clear on this can allow us to deal with critiques of EA in a less confused and more systematic way. For example, if one criticizes actually existing EA, we can say, “okay, but do you agree with the philosophical case for it?” If they do, then we can discuss the best ways to do good, if they’re right. Even if they don’t think EA is good, as long as they’re on board with the philosophy, there will no doubt be some orgs that they support that they think are doing good.
So, when someone criticizes things that the EA movement is doing, we shouldn’t dismiss it as not criticizing EA, because EA is just the philosophy. We should note that it’s a criticism of actually existing EA and, if correct, a reason to oppose some of the things that EA is doing.
MichaelPlant @ 2023-01-30T10:28 (+8)
One other framing of the same thing, which might be more intuitive, is between the idea of effective altruism (use reason to do good better) vs the EA movement (the current group of people doing it and their priorities).
You could be in favour of the former, but not the latter - "I believe in the IDEA of effective altruism, but I think the EA movement is barking up the wrong tree" etc.
Another phrasing would be between "Big EA" and "Small ea", but like we in the UK differentiate between people who are "Big C" conservative, ie support the Conservative party vs "small c conservative" which means you have a conservative disposition but implicitly don't support the Conservative Party.
Just throwing these out in case they are more useful!
NunoSempere @ 2023-01-29T21:30 (+6)
A card-carrying effective altruist is one who does things that are endorsed by most effective altruists—e.g. donating to the against malaria foundation, working in an effective careers, perhaps going to EA meetups.
This doesn't differentiate between:
- the person is endorsed by members of the effective altruism community as it exists in real life
- the person endorses the effective altruism community in turn
You can have one without the other.
Chris Gatewood @ 2023-01-29T20:38 (+3)
This is a good and I think likely useful distinction. At least to the extent that being philosophically EA meets the satisfaction conditions for value-alignment (however defined) in order to be heeded by the relevant card-carrying EA stakeholders.