Muslims for Effective Altruism

By Ahmed Ghoor, Kaleem @ 2022-07-27T16:54 (+239)

TLDR: 

We are finally making progress on Muslims for Effective Altruism. For the next few months, we have someone working 0.5FTE on furthering the project and preparing it to be launched as its own organisation. We’ve linked a doc outlining our strategy in more detail and added a lot of other interesting info and considerations regarding Muslims for EA. Anyone interested in assisting this project, or wanting to keep up-to-date with its development, can email Ahmed or book a time on his calendly.

The “Why?”

Scale 

Neglectedness

Tractability

Other reasons:

The “How?”

Short-term 

Medium-term

Long-term

The “Who?”,[5][6]

Potential Target Audiences: 

Currently working on this project: 

Ahmed Ghoor (Me)

I am currently studying for a B.Sc. in Mathematical Statistics and Computer Science at the University of Cape Town, and have also been studying Islamic Studies under various teachers in South Africa and abroad. I am the current chairperson of Effective Altruism UCT and the UCT Muslim Students Association (MSA), and a fellow in the Auwal Socio-Economic Research Institute’s Future Leaders Program.[7]I am really excited to have the opportunity to combine my studies in Islamic intellectual history and contemporary legal theory, with my passion for effective altruism by working on this project. 

Kaleem Ahmid

Kaleem is a South African Muslim who’s been active/interested in EA community building, global health and wellbeing, biosecurity, and (recently) effective interior design. He started Muslims for EA after discussing his views on the compatibility of Islamic and EA values with members of the community, who encouraged him to go on and create something formal. Unfortunately, he never really had time to dedicate to the project, but he is extremely excited for someone else to take it over, and might even work on it full time in the future. He currently lives in Boston and works for CEA as a project manager for Boston and NYC property development. 

Supporting the project 

What we’re looking for at this point

How to get in touch

If any person or organisation is interested in assisting this project or wants to keep up-to-date with its development, please feel free to contact me via email or book a time on my calendly.

Acknowledgements

Jordan Pieters, JD (Bauman), David Nash, George Rosenfeld, Zainab Chirwa, Zakariyau Yusuf, Alimi Salifou

 

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    Although it is certainly more  - we have more people in our WhatsApp group than the EA survey has Muslim respondents.

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    Not the band “The Who”

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    Also not “The World Health Organisation” 

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abierohrig @ 2022-07-27T17:14 (+40)

This is very exciting!!  Best of luck with your launch!

Devin Kalish @ 2022-07-27T22:05 (+25)

I've been wondering for years, ever since reading about Zakat, why there hasn't been much in the way of EA outreach to the Muslim community. I'm thrilled to see it finally happening!

Rochelle Harris @ 2022-07-29T18:56 (+15)

Very glad to see this! Here are two Facebook groups that may be of interest:

Effective Zakat - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1731235183840615/?ref=share

EA Middle East https://www.facebook.com/groups/1076904819058029/?ref=share

Ahmed Ghoor @ 2022-07-30T07:58 (+2)

Thanks Rochelle! :)

Elizabeth Crewe @ 2022-08-12T18:33 (+11)

While taking the introductory EA virtual programme, I shared my experiences with my Muslim roommate. She was very sympathetic to the idea of ea. Big BUT: when I mentioned one of the exercises on moral decision making which weighed the expected value of deworming children with lobbying for farmed pig welfare (and ultimately led to comparing the value of human life with a pig), she was horrified. I’m thrilled to see that Ahmed is planning to develop a Muslim EA fellowship! In the meanwhile, perhaps a Muslim EA could review the introductory EA virtual programme and see if there are any examples such as this one which could be altered to make EA principles seem less hostile to Islam while retaining the community’s intellectual honesty?

quinn @ 2022-08-12T18:37 (+3)

To be fair, there are lots of types of people who reject comparing value of human life with value of animal life, spanning secular and religious backgrounds. I wouldn't have guessed there was a correlation between religiosity and that particular rejection. 

Elizabeth Crewe @ 2022-08-13T03:07 (+5)

Agreed. However, I think the issue with my Muslim friend was not the foreignness of this idea but rather that it was illustrated with a particularly off-putting (for her) example of pigs. In this case, I think something as simple as changing the animal to one that does not automatically invoke disgust in certain religious groups (i.e. Judaism and Islam) would increase the diversity of those taking the intro EA programme.

Kaleem @ 2022-08-16T22:12 (+5)

Thanks for this. Yeah it's tough - I've thought about this particular thing quite a bit and I don't know what the right direction would be. This could be mitigated by "EA for Muslims" not taking a particular stance on anything and creating spin-off projects which do take a stance on things (e.g. maybe "EA Islamic Animal welfare initiative" does care about pigs.

On the one hand: Some (probably most) muslims would not want to help pigs because they're specifically singled out as an unclean/non-prefered/dirty animal. I don't know whether or not they're sympathetic to pig suffering or if they're indifferent (I'm sure some percentage would be pro-pig suffering but we're probably not trying to reach those people in the first place).

but on the other hand: Some muslims (like me) think pigs are probably very capable of feeling suffering and the amount of suffering endured collectively by pigs is really really bad and we should try stopping it. I think a reasonable muslim could say something like "god made these pigs, and says lots of things about how we should prevent the suffering of animals, and he doesn't say "except pigs"

Markus Amalthea Magnuson @ 2022-07-28T00:02 (+8)

This is very exciting and has huge potential. Please get in touch with the Altruistic Agency for tech needs (e.g. website) when you are at that point, I'd love to help.

Kaleem @ 2022-07-28T01:20 (+1)

Thanks so much Markus, we definitely will be in touch!

Evan_Gaensbauer @ 2022-07-27T18:15 (+8)

This is great. I'm drafting a post right now covering the different worldviews other than utilitarianism that are actively included in EA in practice. There is EA for Christians, for Jews and for Buddhists. The question of "what about Muslims?" has awkwardly not had an answer for a while but now there is! I am an admin or member for several EA Slack servers and Facebook groups, so please let me know if you want me to post or share anything about EA for Muslims.

Kaleem @ 2022-07-27T20:46 (+2)

Hey Evan, we're happy for this to be shared far and wide !

Cullen_OKeefe @ 2022-07-29T00:00 (+7)

Congrats! Super exciting.

smaq @ 2022-07-30T02:19 (+6)

Thanks for your efforts and for putting this together. This can go a long way for both Muslims and EA.

Shakeel Hashim @ 2022-07-28T22:08 (+6)

This is really excellent and has a ton of potential. Well done!

freedomandutility @ 2022-07-28T09:33 (+4)

Really excited to see this, have often thought about the potential for Zakat to be made more effective!

AlasdairGives @ 2022-07-27T19:55 (+3)

I think this is exciting - what I would like to see at this stage is a board or advisory group with members both with predominately EA and predominately Muslim views who can review your activities and give you advice from both perspectives. I’m sure you’ve considered that but it seems like the missing bit in terms of feedback and development at the moment.

Mo Putera @ 2022-07-29T15:21 (+3)

As a footnote to your comment, I'd recommend Holden Karnofsky's post Nonprofit Boards are Weird, in particular the section Who should be on the board?