NY Times on the FTX implosion's impact on EA
By DirectedEvolution @ 2022-11-14T03:51 (+293)
This is a linkpost to https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/business/ftx-effective-altruism.html
The impact of the FTX scandal on EA is starting to hit the news. The coverage in this NY Times article seems fair to me. I also think that the FTX Future Fund leadership decision to jointly resign both was the right thing to do, and comes across that way in the article. Will MacAskill, I think, is continuing to show leadership interfacing with the media - it's a big transition from his book tour not long ago to giving quotes to the press about FTX's implosion.
The article focuses on the impact this has had on EA:
[The collapse of FTX] has also dealt a significant blow to the corner of philanthropy known as effective altruism, a philosophy that advocates applying data and evidence to doing the most good for the many and that is deeply tied to Mr. Bankman-Fried, one of its leading proponents and donors. Now nonprofits are scrambling to replace millions in grant commitments from Mr. Bankman-Fried’s charitable vehicles, and members of the effective altruism community are asking themselves whether they might have helped burnish his reputation...
... For a relatively young movement that was already wrestling over its growth and focus, such a high-profile scandal implicating one of the group’s most famous proponents represents a significant setback.
The article mentions the FTX Future Fund joint resignation, focusing on the grants that will not be able to be honored and what those might have helped.
The article talks about Will MacAskill inspiring SBF to switch his career plans to pursue earning to give, but doesn't try to blame the fraud on utilitarianism or on EA. This is my opinion, but I'm just confused by people's eagerness to blame this on utilitarianism or the EA movement. The common-sense American lens to view these sorts of outcomes is a framework of personal responsibility. If SBF committed fraud, that is indicative of a problem with his personal character, not the moral philosophy he claims to subscribe to.
His connection to the movement in fact predates the vast fortune he won and lost in the cryptocurrency field. Over lunch a decade ago while he was still in college, Mr. Bankman-Fried told Mr. MacAskill, the philosopher, that he wanted to work on animal-welfare issues. Mr. MacAskill suggested the young man could do more good earning large sums of money and donating the bulk of it to good causes instead.
Mr. Bankman-Fried went into finance with the stated intention of making a fortune that he could then give away. In an interview with The New York Times last month about effective altruism, Mr. Bankman-Fried said he planned to give away a vast majority of his fortune in the next 10 to 20 years to effective altruist causes. He did not respond to a request for comment for this article.
Contrary to my expectation, the article was pretty straightforward in describing the global health/longtermism aspects of EA:
Effective altruism focuses on the question of how individuals can do as much good as possible with the money and time available to them. Historically, the community focused on low-cost medical interventions, such as insecticide-treated bed nets to prevent mosquitoes from giving people malaria.
More recently many members of the movement have focused on issues that could have a greater impact on the future, like pandemic prevention and nuclear nonproliferation as well as preventing artificial intelligence from running amok and sending people to distant planets to increase our chances of survival as a species.
Probably the most critical aspect of the article was this:
Benjamin Soskis, senior research associate in the Center on Nonprofits and Philanthropy at the Urban Institute, said that the issues raised by Mr. Bankman-Fried’s reversal of fortune acted as a “distorted fun-house mirror of a lot of the problems with contemporary philanthropy,” in which very young donors control increasingly enormous fortunes.
“They gain legitimation from their status as philanthropists, and there’s a huge amount of incentive to allow them to call the shots and gain prominence as long as the money is flowing,” Mr. Soskis said.
But even this focuses on the same problems of the purchasing of status with philanthropy that we ourselves are wrestling with right now.
Edit: See Aaron Chang's comment for what he sees as the most glaring issue pointed out by the article - "loose norms around board of directors and conflicts of interests between funding orgs and grantees"
I expect that other articles may take a harder look at EA. But I was heartened to see that in this case at least, the author, Nicholas Kulish, seems to be treating EA like what I understand it to be -- a lot of people earnestly trying to figure out how to make the world a better place, and trying to find the most ethical way to navigate a disaster.
EliezerYudkowsky @ 2022-11-14T04:10 (+158)
I think EAs could stand to learn something from non-EAs here, about how not to blame the victim even when the victim is you.
Tamay @ 2022-11-14T18:43 (+66)
I agree the victim-perpetrator is an important lens through which to view this saga. But, I also think that an investor-investee framing is another important one; a framing that has different prescriptions for what lessons to take away, and what to do next. The EA community staked easily a billion dollars worth of its assets (in focus, time, reputation, etc.), and ended up losing it all. I think it's crucial to reflect on whether the extent of our due diligence and risk management was commensurate with the size of EA's bet.
anonymous123 @ 2022-11-14T18:12 (+53)
As someone who has spent years spreading the message that humans are very prone to self-serving biases (hopefully this is an acceptable paraphrase of some complex ideas!), I've personally been surprised to see your many posts in the forum right now which seem to confidently assert that the outcome was both unforeseeable and unrelated to rationalist ideas (therefore making EAs including yourself purely victims, rather than potentially also causal agents here).
To me, there seems a really plausible path from ideas about the extreme urgency of AI alignment research & the importance of taking "extreme" personal agency (relative to existing social norms) to a group of people taking on extreme risks with a lot of urgency and high personal agency to raise funds for AI alignment research.
I have no connection to any of the people involved and no way to know whether it's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that it seems like a plausible path to what happened here given the publicly available information, and I'm curious whether that's something you've considered.
Aaron Chang @ 2022-11-14T04:47 (+80)
The last paragraphs in the article itself point to the most glaring issue IMO-loose norms around board of directors and conflicts of interests (COIs) between funding orgs and grantees. The author presents it in a way that it's self evident the boards were not constructed in a way to be sufficiently independent / objective, and having substantial overlap between the foundation board and the boards of the largest grantees can lead to hazards. These are common industry issues in corporate oversight, curious what policies there are among EA orgs to decrease COIs.
"A significant share of the grants went to groups focused on building the effective altruist movement rather than organizations working directly on its causes. Many of those groups had ties to Mr. Bankman-Fried’s own team of advisers. The largest single grant listed on the Future Fund website was $15 million to a group called Longview, which according to its website counts the philosopher Mr. MacAskill and the chief executive of the FTX Foundation, Nick Beckstead, among its own advisers.
The second-largest grant, in the amount of $13.9 million, went to the Center for Effective Altruism. Mr. MacAskill was a founder of the center. Both Mr. Beckstead and Mr. MacAskill are on the group’s board of trustees, with Mr. MacAskill serving as the chair of the United Kingdom board and Mr. Beckstead as the chair of the U.S. subsidiary.
The FTX Foundation itself had little to no oversight beyond Mr. Bankman-Fried’s close coterie of collaborators. According to its website, the board of the FTX Foundation comprised Caroline Ellison, the head of Alameda Research, the hedge fund Mr. Bankman-Fried founded; Gary Wang, the chief technology officer of FTX; and Nishad Singh, director of engineering at FTX."
Paul_Christiano @ 2022-11-14T16:57 (+93)
I think the point of most non-profit boards is to ensure that donor funds are used effectively to advance the organization's charitable mission. If that's the case, then having donor representation on the board seems appropriate. Why would this represent a conflict of interest? My impression is that this is quite common amongst non-profits and is not considered problematic. (Note that Holden is on ARC's board.)
I'm also not sure this what the NYT author is objecting to. I think they would be equally unhappy with SBF claiming to have donated a lot, but it secretly went to a DAF he controlled that he could potentially use to have influence later. The problem is more like trying to claim credit for good works despite not having actually given up the influence yet, not a COI issue.
(I don't think it's plausible to call "I gave my money to foundation or DAF, and then I make 100% of the calls about how the foundation donates" a COI issue. )
Cullen_OKeefe @ 2022-11-15T07:14 (+17)
I think the point of most non-profit boards is to ensure that donor funds are used effectively to advance the organization's charitable mission. If that's the case, then having donor representation on the board seems appropriate.
I don't see how this follows.
It is indeed very normal to have one or more donors on the board of a nonprofit. But FTX the for-profit organization did in fact have different interests than the FTX Foundation. For example, it was in the FTX Foundation's interest to not make promises to grantees that it could not honor. It was also in the Foundation's broader interest to safeguard the reputation of the broader EA community. Both of these interests were in fact jeopardized by FTX's actions. It's reasonable to argue whether an average nonprofit board, exercising average levels of diligence, would have pushed back more on FTX. Maybe not. But that there was a conflict is clear ex post, and I think it's very plausible that having the FTXF Board have one or more fiduciaries that were not simultaneously beholden to FTX would have caused the org to be a lot more cautious in a variety of ways. At least, that's the normal corporate governance theory.
Greg_Colbourn @ 2022-11-15T11:19 (+21)
OpenPhil has a majority of board members (3/5) who aren't the source of funds (Moskovitz and Tuna, who are the other 2). As I understand it, they also have a few $B under their direct independent legal control[1]. The fact that FTX Foundation didn't secure any assets independently this way is a massive failure (for the world, EA, and FTX creditors[2]).
Aaron Chang @ 2022-11-14T19:21 (+7)
My original comment mentions 'can lead to hazards' due to not knowing the details of what went down/being relatively new (couple months) to the EA space. However subsequent comments of individual regrantors needing to self 'reinvent the wheel' around COI policies (btw, I think Linch came to a good equilibrium for his particular situation) and other concerns raised in the past I think confirm the hunch that this is an area of improvement.
Yes, that is one function of boards. Funders also ideally function objectively when choosing who to fund. Not so hypothetical example: Foundation can fund grantee A or B. Foundation employee making the decision is board member/trustee of B with fiduciary duties to B. Should foundation employee fund A or B? Conflict. Employee should probably recuse themselves from the decision making process and document. If employee was a board observer on B with no decision making power at B, it might be ok, but might still a good idea to recuse themselves from the fund distribution process if want to be safe/ doubly above board.
Most folks who have been required to go through COI learning modules for work can attest to how fun they are <sarcasm>, but I guess I'm seeing the importance now. There are general good practices because of problems that arise with 'self serving' and I think the policies of well known foundations speak for themselves and are instructive if anyone wants to dive deeper. I included COI policies from MacArthur Foundation and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and they are similar to policies in the government contracting and healthcare spaces which are more regulated. For reference, MacArthur states that "a grant is material to an entity when the amount of the grant is in excess of five percent (5%) of the revenue of the entity." I suspect that is the case in several EA orgs, so may be good to at least revisit their COI policies in light of recent events.
One key thing is a person's degree of decision making power in the funder org vs grantee org and situations of recusal when a COI is identified. I think what the NYT author is getting at by just stating the facts and offering little commentary is that how things have operated does not pass the sniff test for having functioning COI policies (from outside looking in). Happy to update thinking if there is evidence to the contrary that these COIs were brought up and CEA/FTX Foundation worked through them (general best practice, see 'record and reporting' section of the MacArthur Foundation policy below). I.e. credit to EA Infrastructure Fund, from a quick search I noticed they mentioned COIs under "Why you might choose not to donate to this fund" so at least some things are working: " You have concerns about conflicts of interest or grantmaker independence: All members of the fund management team are actively involved in the effective altruism community and have both professional and personal relationships with many of those working at meta organizations that may receive grants from this fund. Nick Beckstead (an advisor to the Fund) is a member of the Centre for Effective Altruism's board." https://funds.effectivealtruism.org/funds/ea-community#you-have-concerns-about-conflicts-of-interest-or-grantmaker-independence
MacArthur Foundation COI Policy: Link and selected sections below
https://www.macfound.org/about/our-policies/conflict-interest-policy
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Bill and Melinda Gates COI Policy: Link and selected sections below
https://docs.gatesfoundation.org/Documents/conflict_of_interest_policy.pdf
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Greg_Colbourn @ 2022-11-14T13:34 (+83)
This actually goes back further, to OpenPhil funding CEA in 2017, with Nick Beckstead as the grant investigator whilst simultaneously being a Trustee of CEA (note that the history of this is now somewhat obscured, given that he later stepped down, but then stepped back up in 2021). The CoI has never been acknowledged or addressed as far as I know. I was surprised that no one seemed to have noticed this (at least publicly), so I (eventually) raised it with Max Dalton (Executive Director of CEA) in March 2021 - at least I anonymously sent a message to his Admonymous. In hindsight, it might've been better to publicly post (e.g. to the EA Forum), but I was concerned about EA's reputation being damaged, and possibly lessening the chances of my own org getting funding (perhaps I was a victim of/too in sway to Ra?). Even now part of me is recognising that this could be seen as "kicking people when they are down", or a betrayal, or mark me out as a troublemaker, and is causing me to pause [I've sat with this comment for hours; if you're reading it, I must've finally pressed "submit"]. Then again, perhaps now is the right time to be airing concerns, lest they never be aired and improvements never made. This is what I sent to Max:
1. CEA: I'm surprised that no one has made anything of this, given it's public information (or maybe they have, but not publicly?) - OpenPhil's grants to CEA were based on very limited public reasoning, and in the original grant write-up, it was stated that they would review later, but never did (at least publicly). Also -- and this is the kicker -- Nick Beckstead was the grantmaker, when he was also a Trustee of CEA (and still is). So obviously a massive conflict of interest! Makes it seem like things are very nepotistic with OpenPhil and CEA. Also the EA committee of OpenPhil (https://www.openphilanthropy.org/committee-effective-altruism-support) being anonymous looks like a blatant cover for this! Seems like a double standard when considering CEA (/ EA Funds / EA in general)’s demand for rigorous justification for deciding on whether to fund things. Which is basically how the world works for most things (insiders and outsiders), but I would’ve hoped EA was better than this.
2. ...[stuff about EA Global not having any public cost-effectiveness estimates or justification for spending so much; which was later addressed with a blog post that I can't currently find]...
In general, it seems that there is very little public justification for CEA and it’s projects getting funding. Which is a bad example for EA. Given that the existence and funding of most EA projects is justified by extensive public write-ups and analyses.
Lauren Maria @ 2022-11-14T20:30 (+25)
Thanks for sharing this, especially since you expressed concerned about speaking publicly.
I have expressed similar concerns within my local EA group because I feel like there is no transparency regarding the CEA, how their money is spent, and the cost-effectiveness of EAG. I was typically met with the reply that EAG was justified because of the networking opportunities and that it being a lavish event was only an "optics" issue. This was especially strange to me since I was new to EA, and it didn't seem to align with what I imagined the community to be (specifically the lack of rigour in how they were deciding to spend money on such an event, or other things they spend money on such as university groups going on retreats). Thanks for making me feel validated in these concerns.
Evan R. Murphy @ 2022-11-14T05:48 (+52)
There was a post Linch did earlier this year about their experience as a junior grantmaker in EA. It had an interesting part about conflicts of interest:
4. Conflicts of Interests are unavoidable if you want to maximize impact as a grantmaker in EA.
a. In tension with the above point, the EA community is just really small, and the subcommunities of fields within it (AI safety, or forecasting, or local community building) are even smaller.
b. Having a CoI often correlates strongly with having enough local knowledge to make an informed decision, so (e.g) if the grantmakers with the most CoIs in a committee always recuse themselves, a) you make worse decisions, and b) the other grantmakers have to burn more time to be more caught up to speed with what you know.
c. I started off with a policy of recusing myself from even small CoIs. But these days, I mostly accord with (what I think is) the equilibrium: a) definite recusal for romantic relationships, b) very likely recusal for employment or housing relationships, c) probable recusal for close friends, d) disclosure but no self-recusal by default for other relationships.
d. To avoid issues with #3, I’ve also made a conscious effort to do more recusals in reverse: that is, I’ve made a conscious effort to avoid being too friendly with grantees.
It makes sense to me what they were saying, even though it's troubling, because conflicts of interest are a problem.
It seems natural that more due diligence and organizational safeguards (like avoiding CoIs) will be some of the lessons learned from the FTX disaster. This could be an opportunity to prioritize such things more highly to improve EA's worst-case preparedness (e.g. corruption) , even at the expense of some impact/efficiency gains from having the best experts everywhere when things are going well.
AllAmericanBreakfast @ 2022-11-14T04:56 (+4)
I added a note for people to check this comment out.
RobBensinger @ 2022-11-14T06:20 (+57)
The common-sense American lens to view these sorts of outcomes is a framework of personal responsibility. If SBF committed fraud, that is indicative of a problem with his personal character, not the moral philosophy he claims to subscribe to.
I think this reflects two facts:
- American society-at-large doesn't expect people to think hard about the moral implications of their views -- certainly not to be systematic about it, and even less to subscribe to a named moral philosophy.
- American society-at-large tends to have low moral standards and to embrace cynical explanations for behavior.
- Indeed, this is a big part of why a lot of third parties view EA with skepticism and assume that since we're weird and not obviously allied with their political coalition, we must have cynical motives and agendas. The same perspective that doubts EAs could have principled or non-selfish reasons to do beneficial things, also doubts that EAs could have principled or non-selfish reasons to do destructive things.
I wouldn't conclude from this that EAs are uninfluenced by our philosophical commitments, in real life. I expect that SBF was influenced in various important ways, though personality, character, etc. surely played a large role too.
Sabs @ 2022-11-14T07:58 (+16)
Yes, this. Most fraudsters don't have such strongly held views on why the Kelly criterion for determining optimal bet size doesn't apply to them! (SBF did a famous thread on this and Caroline's tumblr has that line about how real EAs endorse high leverage and double-or-nothing flips).
I think it would be wrong to blame utilitarianism per se for what happened because the vast majority of utilitarians absolutely do care about the risk of ruin - as they should - but I think SBF's own brand of EA-aligned thinking (I assume short AI/bioengineered pandemic timelines factored in here) played a huge role in why he took such insane risks.
AllAmericanBreakfast @ 2022-11-14T06:46 (+4)
Did you mean "low moral expectations" instead of "low moral standards?"
RobBensinger @ 2022-11-14T08:33 (+2)
I mean both.
Linda Linsefors @ 2022-11-14T11:08 (+1)
From the article:
Through a separate nonprofit called Building a Stronger Future, Mr. Bankman-Fried also gave to groups including the news organizations ProPublica, Vox and the Intercept.
In a note to staff members on Friday, ProPublica’s president, Robin Sparkman, and editor in chief, Stephen Engelberg, wrote that the remaining two-thirds of a $5 million grant for reporting on pandemic preparedness and biothreats were on hold. “Building a Stronger Future is assessing its finances and, concurrently, talking to other funders about taking on some of its grant portfolio,” they wrote.
Why isn't the former FTX Future Fund team doing this too? Instead of the symbolic gesture of resigning, why are they not doing their best to raise other funds in order to keep the funding promises they made? Don't they believe in their own orgs grant evaluations? Because if they do, they should be talking to OpenPhil about it right now.
Or are they already doing this? But then why not tell us? This is not the time for secrecy.
Stephen Clare @ 2022-11-14T12:12 (+28)
I think they're doing their best to help. From the resignation letter you linked (emphasis added):
We are devastated to say that it looks likely that there are many committed grants that the Future Fund will be unable to honor. We are so sorry that it has come to this. We are no longer employed by the Future Fund, but, in our personal capacities, we are exploring ways to help with this awful situation. We joined the Future Fund to support incredible people and projects, and this outcome is heartbreaking to us.
Linda Linsefors @ 2022-11-14T12:58 (+12)
Thanks for pointing this out.
I did read the post but obviously missed this part. I apologize.