A review of the Schwarzman Scholars program for EAs

By KevinWei, Saad Siddiqui, Anon1234 @ 2022-08-15T12:07 (+42)

Summary

We are EAs who have done or are about to do the Schwarzman Scholars program; Saad just graduated in 2022 and Kevin is an incoming Schwarzman Scholar starting the program in fall 2022. While we feel that this post likely gives a good sense of what one could gain from the program, individuals' experiences have varied widely. In particular, the experience and potential value of doing this program might look very different if you are from China. 

We have written this post with input and feedback from a range of Schwarzman alumni. Special thanks to Jason Zhou, Deborah Tien, Miro Pluckebaum, and John Petrie for comments on earlier drafts. Any errors that remain are ours. 

Overview of the Schwarzman Scholars Program

Program Overview: the Schwarzman Scholarship is a one-year Master’s in Global Affairs program at Tsinghua University in Beijing. The program is fully-funded, so tuition, room & board, and travel to China and back to your home country are covered; in other words, there is no financial cost to attend for all admitted Scholars. The program is taught in English.

The program positions itself as the “Rhodes Scholarship of China” with a focus on increasing future, global leaders’ understanding of China:

Schwarzman Scholars is the first scholarship created to respond to the geopolitical landscape of the 21st century. As China’s role in global trends continues to grow, the success of future leaders in any sector depends upon an immersive understanding of the country and its culture. A one-year, fully-funded master’s program at Tsinghua University in Beijing, Schwarzman Scholars is designed to build a global community of future leaders who will serve to deepen understanding between China and the rest of the world.

Program History: the program was announced in 2013, and the first cohort of Schwarzman Scholars graduated in 2017. The 7th cohort (2022-2023) will matriculate this fall, and applications for the 8th cohort (2023-2024) are now open.

Program Location: Beijing, China

Program Cost: the program is fully-funded for all admitted Scholars, so there is no financial cost to attend.

Cohort Composition:[1]

Eligibility: you are eligible for the program if you will have earned an undergraduate degree by the time you begin the program, will be 28 or younger by August 1st of the year you begin the program, and are a fluent English speaker (the program is taught in English).

Timelines: the program runs every August through June. There are four modules (“semesters”) with a 1-week break between Modules 1 and 2 in October, a 6-week break between Modules 2 and 3 for Chinese New Year from Jan-Feb. Because the program is one-year, there is no overlap between cohorts. The application process occurs on two different timelines based on your citizenship:

Curriculum: the program places significant emphasis on learning about China and gaining leadership skills. The degree you eventually graduate with is called a “Masters of Management Science in Global Affairs and Leadership.” All Scholars are required to take:

What kinds of career capital can I gain through the program? 

The Schwarzman program can provide career capital through a few mechanisms: immersion in China, networking as well as space for personal and professional exploration. Alumni are also able to access a range of unique opportunities after the program.

Immersion in China

Networking 

Networking happens both in and outside of China, both on and off campus, and both during and after the program:

Personal and Professional Development

Classes at Schwarzman are taught at a level accessible to those from a wide variety of backgrounds, so they are usually introductory in nature. The program places limits on how much reading professors can assign, and assignments are usually graded with an introductory audience in mind. 

As a result, Scholars have significant latitude to pursue independent professional and personal development:

Unique Post-Program Opportunities

What have alumni found most useful about the program?

We asked EA-aligned Schwarzman Scholars alumni what they found most useful about the program, with the following prompts:

Jason Zhou, 6th cohort Scholar (2021-2022) 

Context: Jason is a scholar from America who speaks Mandarin mostly fluently, which partially accounts for his ability to connect with Chinese professors and interface with experts. 

 I found two experiences most useful from the program. The first was exposure to top tier Chinese intellectuals and thinkers. Tsinghua is full of high-powered intellectuals, who are generally quite willing to exchange ideas with students. Those scholars are also sometimes able to connect you – or you can connect via the Schwarzman name and/or connections – to other scholars based in Beijing. I learned a lot from chatting with these scholars, even and especially when I disagreed strongly with their views. The second experience was meeting and befriending people in the program itself. Due to the diversity of views and backgrounds of Schwarzman Scholars, and since the career paths each person is on is fairly eclectic, I was exposed to a lot of different career ideas and paths, as well as life philosophies–such as EA–that have influenced me greatly. 

The program has helped me somewhat in my skills for researching China, greatly in terms of my China-based policy network, enhanced (fairly significantly, I think, but I won’t know for several years) my career capital through experience living in China, and helped me moderately in clarifying my career path. Most of this came through interfacing with Chinese experts at Tsinghua, getting to know fellow classmates, and pursuing my thesis project very actively. 

I was surprised by how much time I still spent on classes despite the lack of emphasis on academics, as well as by how hard it was to find time to meet and get to know other Tsinghua students. On the latter, there are so many competing priorities in Schwarzman, and it is so easy to access the Schwarzman Chinese classmates that I, despite having sufficiently good Chinese, barely got to know any Tsinghua students. Some did better than me, but even so I think everyone finds it difficult.

Anonymous, Scholar who was part of an in-person cohort

I was struck by two things during the program: the level of self-direction and the caliber of my peers.

Self-direction: This is a 'make your own adventure' type of program. There are a LOT of events and opportunities within Schwarzman, Tsinghua, Beijing, and China in general. The Schwarzman program's network is indeed impressive, but the relationships are not offered on a silver platter. Even getting the dream introductions can take a lot of effort, let alone building the relationships. I personally think one leverages this program more when one has stronger ideas of which particular topics to take a deep dive and is willing to take individual initiative.

Peers: Building community is a huge component of the Schwarzman Scholars program. Because I am more of a generalist, learning more about my peers' ultra diverse interests and pathways felt useful both in the short- and long-term; however, others who are more focused in one particular arena may see this type of experience as a distracting waste of time and emotional energy in the short-term, especially without clear long-term outcomes. This group is amongst the most confident, socially-skilled, and genuinely curious people I've ever had the fortune of living with. I personally think people gain more from the program if they're ready to dedicate a substantial chunk of time to relationship building with peers (amongst plenty of other speakers, visitors, Tsinghua students, etc.).

What other programs do those applying for Schwarzman Scholars consider? 

The programs people consider at the same time as Schwarzman, compared below, reflect different motivations people have for doing the Schwarzman Scholars program. This diversity of motivation reflects the fact that in doing Schwarzman, you will get exposure to a little bit of business, policy, international relations, and China studies, and that if you just want to specialize in one of these things, it’s potentially better to do a more specialized program. 

Particularly for Americans, there are also a range of funded Mandarin language study options which alumni have sometimes opted to do before or after Schwarzman. These include: 

Here’s a link to a document that lays out some potential options for language study. Information for programs changes frequently, so please only take this as a starting point for understanding what programs might be out there. The document may also contain some old or broken links.  

Caveat: We have only done Schwarzman and not the other programs, so these are impressions based on conversations with people who have done other programs, as well as information available online. 

Program

Similarities

Dissimilarities

Business School (MBA)
  • Student culture: the primary value-add of the program is not academics but networks
  • Comparable alumni outcomes in consulting, finance, and tech industries[4]
  • Schwarzman is somewhat policy-focused, whereas MBAs programs are not
  • Schwarzman has more international networks: 63% of the HBS class of 2023 was American v.s. ~40% American in a typical Schwarzman cohort.
  • Schwarzman sends more alumni to government/NGO roles[4]
  • Schwarzman sends more Schwarzman alumni to further education after graduation[4]
  • Schwarzman has smaller cohort sizes: there are 150-200 Schwarzman Scholars per cohort vs. 300-1000 students per class for top MBA programs. Note that since the Schwarzman program is 1-year vs 2-year MBA programs, these class sizes mean there are 150-200 Schwarzman Scholars in residence at any given point in time vs. 600-2000 students at top MBA programs.
Policy Masters (MPP, SSP, SAIS)
  • Somewhat comparable focus on international affairs and public policy
  • Schwarzman sends fewer alumni in government/NGO roles[5]
  • Schwarzman sends more alumni to further education after graduation[5]
  • Schwarzman has smaller cohort sizes: there are 150-200 Schwarzman Scholars per cohort vs. 225 students per class for HKS MPP and ~200 (est) per class for Georgetown SSP. Note that since the Schwarzman program is 1-year vs 2-year MPP programs, these class sizes means there are 150-200 Schwarzman Scholars in residence at any given point in time vs. 550 students in the HKS MPP program and 400+ students at Georgetown SSP. Note that HKS has 1,100 students in residency across all programs).

China studies programs in China


Examples: Yenching Academy, Hopkins-Nanjing

  • Similar cohort sizes: there are 150-200 Schwarzman Scholars per cohort vs. 120 Yenching Scholars per cohort. Note that since the Schwarzman program is 1-year vs 2-year MPP programs, these class sizes means there are 150-200 Schwarzman Scholars in residence at any given point in time vs. ~240 Yenching Scholars in residence.


 

  • Schwarzman is less academic. For example, Yenching requires the submission of research proposals as part of the application process; Schwarzman instead requires a personal statement and a leadership essay.
  • Differing focii of parent universities: Tsinghua is primarily a STEM university while Peking University, where Yenching Academy is based, has a greater international relations focus.
  • Length: the Schwarzman program is 1-year vs. 2-years for the Yenching and Hopkins-Nanjing.
  • Language requirements: Yenching and Schwarzman don’t require prior Chinese language exposure; Hopkins-Nanjing requires HSK 6, which is near native fluency.

China studies programs that are partially in China, partially outside China

Examples: LSE-Fudan, SciencesPo -Peking

We didn’t really have access to people/didn’t have sufficiently certain ideas about comparison for these programs, but we still felt it was worth including these categories for people to think about and investigate on their own.

Some general points to consider: 

  • These China studies programs are probably more methodologically rigorous and give you much more China-focused knowledge/research skills than Schwarzman.
  • Dual degree programs likely give you both a disciplinary focus (e.g. international relations) and a China studies background, which can be useful if you want to go into academia.

China studies programs outside China 

Examples: University of Oxford

What are some reasons I might not want to apply for the Schwarzman Scholars program?

We’ve discussed many reasons you may want to apply for the Schwarzman Scholars program. However, we also recognize that the program may not be for everyone. You may not want to apply for the Schwarzman Scholars program if: 

How should I go about the application process? 

In general, you should err on the side of applying if you think there is a chance Schwarzman might be useful for you and if the opportunity cost of submitting the application is not too high for you. There is no application fee, and the application cycle is earlier than most other graduate school applications. The application process for the Schwarzman Scholarship is also relatively short when compared with similar programs, many of which require 5+ essays and 3+ letters of recommendation (e.g. Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright, etc.). 

The Schwarzman application consists of:

Roughly around 3000-4000 people apply each year and ~10% are selected for interviews. Of those offered interviews, ~30-40% are offered a spot. The interview round, at least in the online format that has been adopted the past 2 years, consists of a 25-min interview with 5-8 panelists who are leaders in various fields ranging from military generals to business leaders to artists. Previously, when interviews were in-person, candidates were flown to interview centers such as London, where they participated in some networking events, group assessments, and an in-person interview. 

The program is especially interested in applications from those with several years of working experience, as they generally receive fewer applications from early-career professionals than they do from individuals who have just finished their undergraduate studies. That said, about 40% of the cohort is composed of undergraduates, so you are not significantly disadvantaged if you apply for the program while finishing your final year of undergrad. 

Some general thoughts and application advice: 

Other resources on application advice:

More Resources / Recommended Reading

Contact Information

If you are interested in applying, have questions about the program, want to learn more about EA-related activities at Schwarzman, or have other questions/comments, please reach out to Saad Siddiqui (Schwarzman ‘22) at muhammadsaad1997@hotmail.com or Kevin Wei (Schwarzman ‘23) at hi@kevinlwei.com.

  1. ^

    A directory of past and present Schwarzman Scholars may be found here.

  2. ^

     The core mandatory China-focused class is led by Barry Naughton, one of the leading economists on China and other professors who teach at Schwarzman include Victor Shih, Karl Eikenberry, Molly Roberts, Andrew Walder, Wang Hui and Wang Shaoguang. 

  3. ^

    Xue Lan is also the Chair of the National Expert Committee on AI Governance, which is an advisory committee convened under the Ministry of Science and Technology.

  4. ^

    According to internal program data. Alumni outcomes were compared with publicly-available data from the MBA programs at the Harvard Business School, Stanford Graduate School of Business, and the University of Chicago Booth School of Business.

  5. ^

    According to internal program data. Alumni outcomes were compared with publicly-available data from the MPP program at the Harvard Kennedy School and the programs in the Georgetown Walsh School of Foreign Service / Security Studies Program.


Joseph Lemien @ 2022-08-16T02:16 (+17)

Could you also mention some of the negatives? It is very Chinese to write a review that only mentions the positive aspects.

I have a few suspicions of negative aspects of the Schwarzman program, but these are from my friends/contacts rather than from my own personal experience. Rather than repeating what I've heard from my own network, I'd like to ask what you think the downsides and the bad parts of this program are.

Saad Siddiqui @ 2022-08-16T12:20 (+2)

Thanks for the comment Joseph! I'm really curious what the downsides or bad parts you've heard of are (if you're open to sharing them ). Would be happy to share my takes on whether those reported downsides resonate with my own experience and those of my friends.

Like Kevin outlined, I think categorising some of the features (e.g. lack of academic rigour) of the programme as strengths or weaknesses is tough because it very much depends on how someone sees the programme fitting into their larger career trajectory. 

One plausible downside that we tried to capture in the post is that Schwarzman can be used for a variety of purposes, so there are ceilings on how far you can optimise for any one element. "...you will get exposure to a little bit of business, policy, international relations, and China studies, and that if you just want to specialize in one of these things, it’s potentially better to do a more specialized program." (What other programs do those applying for Schwarzman Scholars consider?)

But in my personal experience, this wasn't really a downside. I wasn't really sure if I wanted to fully optimise for community-building, something related to alternative proteins or China studies, and during Schwarzman I had the flexibility to test my fit across these domains in different ways.

Another plausible downside (if language immersion is your goal) is that language study is not a huge (enforced) part of the programme. You are only required to take language classes for the first module. And while you can take language classes throughout the year, they are only offered twice a week. That said, some of my friends took class at one level and audited classes at a one level higher, while also supplementing that with extra classes outside of Schwarzman. Chinese teachers are also available pretty much everyday over lunch for you to chat and practice your Chinese. So, by default language immersion is not a strength of the programme but if learning the language is a priority for you, it's possible to make decent progress (e.g. a friend went from knowing no Chinese at the start of the programme, to somewhere between HSK 4 and 5 a year later, which I think is something like upper intermediate level). If language learning is your only goal though, then Schwarzman is likely not the right programme. We've attached a spreadsheet with some potential language intensives that might be a better fit for someone with a pure language learning goal. 

Finally, would echo Kevin's point about logistics of getting into the country being tough, but would  add that my sense is that logistics of getting into the country are decently challenging for any foreigner at this point. 

Joseph Lemien @ 2022-08-20T01:00 (+3)

Sure, I'll share what I've heard and what I suspect. Each of these this is  either second-hand or conjecture about how the Schwarzman program functions.  I don't have any personal experience of the program. I also think that as an American I am probably setting American universities as my default of comparison.

  • General China stuff
    • My first thought is broad and general, applying to all academic programs in China: academic programs in China are often poorly managed (at the administrative/management level) and of low quality. Does the Schwarzman program fall into this trend?
    • There are also general risks of being in China. COVID has been scary and challenging, most foreign students have left, and my impression is that most of them had their scholarship stopped. Many Chinese universities locked students on campus  (or booted them off campus) at various times during 2020 or 2021. I haven't heard how Schwarzman handled the various waves of COVID lockdowns that Beijing has gone through.
    • Programs for foreign students in China often tend to be very insular and disconnected from the rest of the campus. It is common for 4 or 6 or 8 Chinese students share a dormitory room, while foreign students often are perceived as getting special treatment when they have only 1 or 2 students in a room. A lot of foreign students in China mainly interact with other foreign students, with occasional cultural excursions. My guess is that the Schwarzman program is a bit more integrated within the program, but that there is relatively little interaction with people outside Schwarzman.
    • Are foreign students at Schwarzman able to open a bank account and use WeChat Pay, Alipay, and similar apps in China? I imagine that life in China would be quite a bit harder if you aren't able to use all the conveniences that come with mobile payments. Are foreign students able to get a Health Kit?
    • Learning Chinese language at universities in China tends to follow a very "traditional" model of language learning, in which a group of students works their way through a textbook with plenty of not-very-useful words, and in which a lot of class time is spent on the teacher speaking a sentence and the students all repeating it slowly. How were the Chinese language classes?
  • Academic freedom 
    • Academic freedom is an issue at pretty much every institution in China. There are simply some topics which are considered sensitive in China that you can't talk about, study, or discuss.
    • Students at Schwarzman didn't like Donald Trump, but Stephen A. Schwarzman liked Donald Trump a lot, and the staff ask students to not voice anti-Trump opinions while they were part of the Schwarzman program. I understand that it is kind of rude to accept someone's money and then insult their politics, but the institutional response (of just telling students they shouldn't express opinions that run counter to the funder) strikes me as fairly poor.
Saad Siddiqui @ 2022-08-20T07:09 (+4)

Thanks for sharing these impressions Joseph! 

  • General China stuff
    • On poor quality of academic management: I think most people don't go to Schwarzman to focus on academics, but that said some people like Jason (whose quote is in the post) can get a fair bit out of the academics. I don't have experience in American unis or in non-Schwarzman Chinese unis, but my impression is that academic management is better than average Chinese unis and maybe slightly worse than at American unis. This largely comes from the programme having to fulfil somewhat onerous university requirements but Schwarzman students are shielded from a lot of it.
    • On Schwarzman's handling of the lockdowns: we were subject to city and uni-level restrictions like everyone else, and there were about two months where we weren't allowed to leave campus earlier this year. Tsinghua campus is pretty huge though, so we had access to multiple convenience stores, a host of canteens and bunch of sports fields. The lockdown was difficult for those who had medical emergencies because once you left campus you could not return, this led to some friends leaving the programme early. Schwarzman admin was fairly accommodating in helping folks leave campus earlier for personal or health reasons. 
    • On Schwarzman-Tsinghua interaction: by default you'll interact with Tsinghua students less because classes, meals and many events are within Schwarzman College itself. There is a perception that Schwarzman is a bit of a bubble. All that said, it's possible to get plugged into broader Tsinghua life; some friends audited Tsinghua classes, and joined Tsinghua clubs.
    • On foreigners getting bank accounts and relevant apps: programme helps you set up a bank account and you can get all the relevant apps. 
    • On quality of language instruction: doesn't sound like the language instruction you describe. Focuses a fair bit on speaking practice - you are tasked with watching videos and completing homework before class, and during class you essentially review the vocab and sentence structures from the video. Generally classes are small enough that you can get some speaking practice in but you need to put in a lot of extra effort to improve your language skills seriously during the year, the classes are far from enough. 
  • Academic freedom
    • Academic freedom: within classes and in college I think pretty much anything goes. Whether your friends want to discuss certain topics because they find them sensitive is another matter but people talked about all sorts of things the past year. For thesis titles, yes, there is some censorship I've heard of, where students were told to change wording of their theses. That said, I know of friends who did fairly controversial topics for their theses (e.g. stuff on Xinjiang). I'm not super sure where exactly the lines are. 
    • What you can and can't say vis-a-vis Schwarzman's politics: the programme isn't a huge fan of having to deal with blowback in the media, and in that vein they are against people leaking confidential communications or writing anything very controversial in the press whilst associating themselves with the programme. People have still done it though, so it's more a matter of how much one weighs the risk of souring relations with programme administration.
Joseph Lemien @ 2022-08-21T02:54 (+2)

Thanks for taking the time to type all that out. I really appreciate that you gave thoughtful responses. :)

KevinWei @ 2022-08-16T11:15 (+1)

I'm not really sure how to answer this question because I think it's rather difficult to identify unequivocally "positive" and "negative" aspects of this program (or of any program in particular, really). My take is that there are only aspects of the program that may be more or less suitable for EAs who are considering the program, and that we've done our best to articulate some of the reasons why any particular EA may or may not want to pursue the Schwarzman vs. other educational opportunities (see the What other programs do those applying for Schwarzman Scholars consider? and What are some reasons I might not want to apply for the Schwarzman Scholars program? sections).

For example, we write in the Personal and Professional Development section that classes are rather introductory in nature, and that this leaves time for independent development opportunities. Some people may not be attracted by this aspect of the program (e.g. if they've studied China or international relations extensively as an undergraduate, or if they appreciate more guidance and less independent exploration in a graduate program), but others may find that these are precisely the aspects of the program that they find appealing (e.g. if you did not study these topics as an undergraduate and want an introduction to them, or if want to conduct a lot of independent research).

The only truly bad aspect of the program that I can point to off the top of my head (@Saad may have more to add since I'm still relatively new to the program) is that logistics of getting to China have been a nightmare and highly stressful. I'm a U.S. citizen, and dealing with the visa application process, Chinese quarantine requirements, and flight shortages have not been fun—though this does not seem specific to the program in particular.

Jordan_Schneider @ 2022-08-15T15:09 (+13)

Hey folks--I wrote a similar review/advice article particularly aimed at the Yenching Scholarship you might find interesting.

https://jorschneider.com/2020/11/16/thoughts-on-yenching-academy/

 

Yenching Academy and the Schwarzman Scholars program comprise China’s attempt to set up a Rhodes/Marshall-style master’s degree. Both programs are fully-funded masters degrees comprised mostly of non-Chinese students. I was a Yenching Scholar in its third cohort from 2017-2019. What follows are some of my reflections on the experience and advice for applicants considering these programs.

Application process (from 2016…there have been two deans since I applied)

Academics

Student Body and Campus Life

Yenching vs Schwarzman (Dorms, Career Services)

Why Go To Yenching?

Why Not Go To Yenching?

Other Notes

KevinWei @ 2022-08-15T23:11 (+2)

We linked this in the application advice section :)

Jordan_Schneider @ 2022-08-16T11:48 (+1)

lol sry that was buried deep on my personal site i had no idea anyone could find it!

Jordan_Schneider @ 2022-08-15T15:16 (+2)

also this might be a useful thing to throw into the relevant links section

https://www.chinatalk.media/p/china-policy-an-early-career-guide

KevinWei @ 2022-08-15T23:12 (+2)

I just added this to the additional reading / links section. Thanks Jordan!

Anonymous_EA @ 2022-08-15T15:38 (+1)

Thanks for this post! Schwarzman seems especially promising for folks interested in policy, where a grad degree is often needed and where China expertise is valued.

I think it's worth emphasizing that these degrees only take one year. This is a BIG advantage relative to e.g. law school, an MBA, and even many/most MPP programs. If you think education  (particularly non-STEM grad school) is mostly about signaling rather than learning, then the opportunity cost of an extra one or two years of schooling is really significant. Schwarzman looks like a great way to get a shiny grad credential in a very reasonable amount of time. 

KevinWei @ 2022-08-15T23:13 (+1)

I agree that the length of the program should be a medium to substantial consideration for folks; it definitely was for me (although/especially because I might go on to do more/other grad school after this)

Anonymous_EA @ 2022-08-16T16:36 (+1)

Huh, I'm surprised you're planning to do further degrees after the Schwarzman: that undercuts my point above. If the Schwarzman isn't viewed by employers as a terminal degree, then I'd view that as a major downside of the program. The opportunity cost of a year of full-time work is high.

KevinWei @ 2022-08-16T23:27 (+1)

To clarify, the Schwarzman is a terminal degree and AFAIK is viewed by employers as such. From what I've seen in internal program data the vast majority of Schwarzman Scholars do not go onto further education; I think my case / specific niche is unusual for the program.