Sentientia, Reversomelas, and the Small Animal Replacement Problem
By Jim Buhler @ 2025-05-15T12:29 (+40)
Context and summary: Many of the strategies aimed at helping animals, such as advocacy towards considering the suffering of mammals farmed for their meat, seems to be contributing to the growth of the farming of smaller animals, which arguably leads to more animal suffering overall since the smaller the animals, the more need to be farmed and killed to produce similar quantities of food. This is one version of what has been called the small animal replacement problem (SARP). Still, many of the animal advocates aware of negative externalities of this sort endorse the strategies that contribute to them. This can be rationalized with the “temporary setback” view, according to which these strategies also have long-term positive externalities (like expanding people’s moral circle) that offset the negative ones. This post is an attempt at formalizing this view and clarifying its premises. Uncovering these premises makes defending the "temporary setback" view seem much harder than it might at first.
The most compelling version of the “temporary setback” view is that even if some strategies aimed at helping animals increase overall suffering in the near future because of the small animal replacement problem, they still decrease it in the long run by improving our society’s values. Consider the following hypothetical scenario.
Sentientia – a post-SARP better world: After a very long period where the farming of fish, shrimps, and insects was a major economic sector (especially following the global ban of the farming of most land animals, which animal advocates and other actors pushed for), it is finally collapsing. Some countries have made the farming of (likely) sentient animals (including insects) illegal. The others have strict and enforced animal-welfare norms that make the lives of these small animals not nearly as bad as they used to be. Regardless, the number of farmed fish, shrimps, and insects in these countries has drastically reduced as humans and their pets now eat almost exclusively plant-based food. While experts in ethics and animal welfare were initially overwhelmingly worried about the suffering of wild animals, many more of which were incidentally brought into existence after the ban of mammal farming (as forests replaced crops grown to feed animals and their grazing space), humanity – with the help of AI – deeply modified ecosystems to make diseases, starvation, and painful juvenile deaths all extremely rare. Wild habitats are now sanctuaries where animals are taken care of when needed. Some people oppose this and believe that humans should not intervene in nature, but they are a minority with negligible influence. There are also treaties aimed at preventing the replication of non-human animals off-Earth. If humanity ever colonizes space, it will do so without spreading animal farming or wild animal suffering with them. Overall, despite initial setbacks like SARP, there now is significantly less total animal suffering that there was at the beginning of the 21st century (or than in the counterfactual scenario where animal advocates avoided strategies contributing to SARP), and things will remain this way for eons.
Many of the strategies incidentally contributing to SARP appear as indispensable steps toward a world comparable to Sentientia. While this may seem like enough to endorse the “temporary setback” view, it isn’t. The problem is that we are not facing a mere Sentientia vs status quo dilemma (in which case there would be no doubt that anything that makes Sentientia more likely to be reached is worth pursuing). There is a third set of possibilities. For the sake of illustration, consider the following example.
Reversomelas – a post-SARP worse world: Now that most countries have at least severely restricted the farming of most land animals, the farming of fish, shrimps, crickets, and other small sentient creatures is blossoming. While there are more vegetarians abstaining from eating any animal that there ever was, this does not go anywhere near making up for the fact that the total number of animals farmed and killed for food went through the roof. Surveys show that most people believe that the small animals they eat are sentient and should be farmed in better conditions or maybe even not farmed at all, but rare of those who care enough to do anything about it. The immense growth of the sector has made these small animals a very cheap source of protein and other essential nutrients. Plant-based alternatives are often more expensive and/or considered less tasty. Moreover, most of the products resulting from the small-animal farming actually end up in pet food.[1] And there are many more pets in the world than there used to be due to human population growth, and people becoming more likely to adopt companion animals as they get richer and more compassionate toward the non-human animals that resemble them the most. Even if all humans went fully vegan, there would still be vastly more animals farmed and killed than there were at the beginning of the 21st century. The rare people advocating for increased shrimp and insect welfare, while there are still many abandoned dogs and cats, wild animal species going extinct, and humans living in poverty, are given incredulous stares. These advocates still are able to celebrate incremental changes in the conditions in which fish and other animals are raised, but those changes will never go anywhere near compensating for the massive growth of the industry in terms of total animal suffering. The science of wild animal welfare has grown much slower than the science of rewilding and wild habitat conservation. Occasionally, welfare biologists manage to get enough funding to vaccinate some wild animal populations against some painful viruses, but life in nature mostly remains the same from the perspective of wild animals, and there are now many more of them (due to the land freed by the decline in mammal farming). The vast majority of people, including most animal advocates, believe that the world has gotten much better for non-human animals. There are many more vegans. Many horrible farm and slaughterhouse practices have been made illegal. People generally seem much more altruistic toward other animals. However, the world has gotten much worse in terms of overall animal suffering. Furthermore, the situation worsens as humans start colonizing space, building permanent settlements outside of Earth where they start farming small fish, shrimps, and insects. Eventually, after eons have passed, things finally end up improving for non-human animals, but nowhere near the point where total animal suffering is lower than it was at the beginning of the 21st century (or than in the counterfactual scenario where animal advocates avoided strategies contributing to SARP).
While many of the strategies incidentally contributing to SARP arguably constitute a necessary step to reach a world like Sentientia, this step has a cost, namely, the risk of ending in a world comparable to Reversomelas. Hence, holding the “temporary setback” view necessitates explicitly arguing that the benefit of these strategies outweighs this cost. This, in turn, requires defending that the improved societal values (and/or other positive flow-through effects) resulting from strategies contributing to SARP will
- counterfactually lead humanity to either
- ban or substantially decrease the farming of small animals to the point where it eliminates SARP, or
- drastically improve the conditions in which they are farmed to the point where this makes up for SARP, or
- better act in the interests of other beings (e.g., wild animals and potential digital minds) to the point where this morally compensates for the harm caused to small farmed animals; or
- do some combination between almost-A, almost-B, and almost-C that overall makes up for SARP; and
- also outweigh the potential negative externalities other than SARP[2].
I'm curious whether people agree with all this and what their cruxes for or against 1 and 2 are.
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In our present world, this already seems to be the case for insects: "Currently, pet food is the largest market for insect proteins" (deJonk & Nikolik 2021)
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E.g., the wild animal replacement problem (see Tomasik 2019; Shulman 2013)-- which is also alluded to in my descriptions of Sentientia and Reversomelas -- and backfire risks from moral circle expansion (see, e.g., Vinding 2018).
JoA🔸 @ 2025-05-15T19:48 (+6)
I found this post excellent and original. SARP is an immense problem and still seems crucially neglected within EA animal advocacy, perhaps because it's still difficult to find good theories of change aimed at preventing it. This also might be the first piece I encounter that treats SARP as more than a short-termist concern.
While I superficially agree with the overall point, I do have a few cruxes. "[...] advocacy towards considering the suffering of mammals farmed for their meat, seems to be contributing to the growth of the farming of smaller animals" seems like a core claim, and yet there's no link or footnote for tentative evidence[1]. Yes, vegan advocacy and SARP have both grown in the past ten years, but does correlation imply causation?
My second crux ends up being kind of the same as the first one. I find both Sentientia and Reversomelas implausible, because I find it unlikely that the values of a tiny minority of present-day humans (animal advocates) will have a strong effect on the values of society in the future.
Overall, while I found the post enriching, I find myself disagreeing with the premise somewhat. Your description of the present, as well as those of both futures, seem to give too much weight to moral adovcacy, compared to other factors. While I think that the size of animals that will be farmed in the future matters a lot, I think that the factors that will determine that are neither the way current vegans talk about animals, nor the choices we make in welfare campaigns during this decade.
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Since veganism / antispeciesism opposes the farming of small animals, by contrast with environmentalists who are likelier to be favorable to insect farming for pet feed or honey production while being critical of the farming of large animals, there is a strong "superficial" case for thinking that the vegan / sentientist meme is likelier to attenuate SARP than to worsen it. Another point would be the (very minor) waves that shrimp welfare campaigns have made recently.
There are obvious counterpoints to my position though: cow-focused environmental / leaning vegan material like Cowspiracy has probably worsened SARP on the margin.
Jim Buhler @ 2025-05-18T14:09 (+2)
Thanks for the comment Jo :)
"[...] advocacy towards considering the suffering of mammals farmed for their meat, seems to be contributing to the growth of the farming of smaller animals" seems like a core claim, and yet there's no link or footnote for tentative evidence.
Interesting. I didn't expect this to be controversial. This was just an example anyway. I didn't mean to argue about what strategies do and do not contribute to SARP. That's a whole other discussion and is kinda irrelevant to the point of my post. (Although, obviously, the more we think the strategies people use contribute to SARP, the more my point matters in practice.)[1]
While I think that the size of animals that will be farmed in the future matters a lot, I think that the factors that will determine that are neither the way current vegans talk about animals, nor the choices we make in welfare campaigns during this decade.
What do you think those factors are, then? And do you think the work of people trying to help animals (EA-inspired people in particular) do not affect these factors in any non-chaotic way? (such that there is no need to worry about contributing to SARP.)
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Fwiw, I just foundthis interesting videowhere Matt Ball somewhat suggests that promoting veganism hurts animals overall because of SARP (and he completely ignores animals smaller than chickens).(EDIT: no, I misinterpreted him. He just thinks promoting veganism doesn't work. This has nothing to do with SARP.)
JoA🔸 @ 2025-05-20T18:04 (+1)
(my answer is kind of messy as I probably misunderstood some of your points while first writing it, and then edited in a disorderly fashion)
What will shape the future is always unclear. Naively predictable factors that seem much larger than animal advocacy to me are:
- Caring about the environment / sustainability: it's likely that if these factors remain important in society, some forms of farming could be severely restricted (cow farming, but also perhaps some forms of fish farming?)
- Cultural / commercial contingencies: stuff like the popularity of sushi in the west, successful ad campaigns by red lobster, seem to have significantly influenced the demand for small animals
- Technological development: current developments may make cow farming more sustainable (good for small animals), but productivity developments will probably be more significant for small animal farming, which is much less efficient currently and has more room for improvement.
Sure, animal advocates could strategically try to influence these factors in one direction or the other, but I'd see at possible marginal impact over force currently beyond their control. Regarding second-order effects of the moral advocacy / cultural influence aspect of animal advocacy, I can't remember ever encountering any indication of the fact that people in the west were eating more chickens[1], crustaceans and fishes because of culturally-encouraged empathy for large animals. Maybe there are non-consumer cases where a link can be drawn, such as ethical criticisms of meat from large animals being leveraged by the insect farming industry, but this is more of an imaginary example as I'm not sure this has been the case.
As for whether animal advocates are still likely to influence SARP: yes, but plausibly only marginally, unless they act with a strategic mindset in some key field (eg through getting a ban on the use of Precision Livestock Farming for large animals but not for small animals). I agree that it should be taken more seriously. However, I think whether current animal advocacy efforts increase or decrease SARP is very unclear to me. There are definitely strategic questions to be asked here, such as whether welfare reforms that drive up the prices of products from large animals will increase the consumption of small animals, or whether the movement should try to be aligned with the environmental movement (who seems to have a larger effect on SARP), and reminding advocates that SARP actually matters a lot is a good step in that direction. I wonder to what extent the big animal welfare orgs are currently thinking about this (it seems to be on L214's mind from what I've heard floating around, but it's unclear whether their current efforts are going in the right direction).
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Matt Ball is definitely an interesting case, it's surprising that the person who's probably been the most outspoken about SARP is also the one anti-invertebrate sentience advocate in the movement.
Jim Buhler @ 2025-05-21T08:03 (+2)
Just to clarify, I really didn't mean to argue about whether strategy X is contributing to SARP. All I'm saying is "many people i) believe what they do somewhat contributes to SARP but they ii) think it's just a temporary setback and it's fine -- and (I claim) it's not obvious they're right about (ii)".
You seem to think they might not be right about (i), which is of course also relevant but my impression is that the crux for most people is (ii) and not (i). They generally don't seem to care about how much what they do might be contributing to SARP. As long as this improves people's values from their perspective, they generally think it offsets their (potential) contribution to SARP anyway. (See e.g. here and here.)
EDIT: Actually, I've just spent some more time looking into every mention of SARP on the EA Forum and it is almost exclusively mentioned in discussions of meat taxes and environmental strategies. There seems to be a meme that SARP is just a reason to avoid helping animals with environmentalist strategies, as if it was obvious that other strategies -- e.g., promoting plant-based food, chicken welfare reforms, moral advocacy -- did not contribute to SARP (here and here are rare exceptions). So maybe the question of what exact strategies contribute to SARP is more cruxy than I thought. Maybe most animal advocates think they're not contributing to SARP anyway and haven't thought that much about (ii).
Vasco Grilo🔸 @ 2025-05-19T14:18 (+3)
Thanks for the post, Jim!
Hence, holding the “temporary setback” view necessitates explicitly arguing that the benefit of these strategies outweighs this cost.
I agree, and would say the nearterm effects on wild animals are the driver of the overall impact.
E.g., the wild animal replacement problem (see Tomasik 2019; Shulman 2013)-- which is also alluded to in my descriptions of Sentientia and Reversomelas -- and backfire risks from moral circle expansion (see, e.g., Vinding 2018).
I estimated broiler welfare (cage-free) reforms increase or decrease the welfare of wild arthropods 47.7 (4.66) times as much as they increase the welfare of broilers (hens). My results suggest it is unclear whether chicken welfare reforms are beneficial or harmful. The effects on arthropods may well be larger than those on chickens, which would imply chicken welfare reforms being beneficial/harmful if they benefit/harm arthropods. I think these conclusions apply to any intervention targeting vertebrates which change the consumption of feed or food, especially if it mainly aims to increase/decrease positive/negative vertebrate-years.
Vasco Grilo🔸 @ 2025-06-03T17:21 (+2)
I agree, and would say the nearterm effects on wild animals are the driver of the overall impact.
Here is a related post I have just published.
As I expected, my analysis indicates the impact of chicken welfare reforms is driven by effects on wild animals. I estimate broiler welfare and cage-free corporate campaigns benefit soil animals 444 and 28.2 times as much as they benefit chickens. I think the same applies to any intervention targeting vertebrates which changes the consumption of feed or food, especially if it mainly aims to increase/decrease positive/negative vertebrate-years.
My best guess is that decreasing the consumption of animal-based foods is harmful. I estimate School Plates in 2023, and Veganuary in 2024 harmed soil animals 5.75 k and 3.85 k times as much as they benefited farmed animals. Moreover, I guess arguments for decreasing the consumption of animal-based foods based on environmental considerations, and animal rights harm wild animals longterm due to encouraging wilderness preservation. In any case, I expect the nearterm effects to be the driver of the overall impact. So I would still consider decreasing the consumption of animal-based foods harmful even if it helped wild animals longterm.
Steven Rouk @ 2025-05-21T20:18 (+2)
Hey Jim! Thanks for pointing me here via your comment on my post about Adding Nuance to the Small Animal Replacement Problem: Moral Circle Expansion.
I don't have much to say, other than thanks for continuing to think about this issue. I'll add a couple of (hot take) thoughts that might be relevant, based on my current read of the movement:
- It seems to me that many animal advocates these days are aware of SARP and actively tailor their strategies to avoid it where possible. For example, being very careful to advocate for plant-based defaults at institutions rather than just for "reduced emissions" food swaps, when doing environmentally-focused campaigns (since "reduced emissions" could technically just swap beef for chicken, decreasing emissions but increasing total animals killed / days of suffering).
- More organizations are working on small animal welfare than ever before, such as the large amount of money and energy that has gone into fish welfare and chicken welfare in recent years, and even in previously completely-ignored areas (like shrimp welfare, insect welfare, etc.).
So I think many of the main actors in the advocacy space are trying to adjust their strategies to account for SARP, regardless of whether or not it's only a temporary setback from moral circle expansion. But I'm not sure how the percentages shake out, of who is accounting for it and who isn't.
I think your Reversomelas scenario is very interesting and worthy of more analysis.
Jim Buhler @ 2025-05-22T07:40 (+2)
Thanks! In this other comment, I started wondering whether the main crux (for people not worrying that much about SARP) was the temporary setback view or animal advocates just believing they don't contribute to SARP, and you're providing some more reasons to believe it's the latter.
Steven Rouk @ 2025-05-22T20:55 (+1)
Yeah, I think (a) many people don't think about it, (b) some people do think about it and try to adjust accordingly (which they may succeed or fail at), and (c) some people acknowledge it but think of it as a temporary setback related to moral circle expansion.
I'm curious if you're hoping to shift people's thinking about strategy in any specific direction here, due to bringing this up? Are there specific changes you'd like to see advocates make, or some definition of "success" for improving advocacy strategies based on this awareness?
Might be interesting to do specific quantitative analysis and projections of various scenarios, as well, although of course that's its own research project.
Jim Buhler @ 2025-05-23T13:20 (+2)
I'm curious if you're hoping to shift people's thinking about strategy in any specific direction here, due to bringing this up?
Not really, at least not with this specific post. I just wanted to learn things by getting people's thoughts on SARP and the temporary setback view. Maybe I also very marginally made people update a bit towards "SARP might be a bigger deal than I thought" and "animal macrostrategy is complex and important", and that seems cool, but this wasn't the goal.
I like your questions. They got me thinking a lot. :)