Can for-profit companies create significant, direct impact?

By T.K., Ambitious Impact, Jacintha Baas @ 2025-07-11T15:33 (+101)

Thank you to @Jacintha Baas, @Judith Rensing, and the @CE team for your help in editing and improving this post. 

Introductory Context

Hi, I’m Trish. This is my first post on the EA forum. I spent the past decade building VC-funded, high-growth startups (from pre-revenue to $10M+, from founding team to 250+ employees; pre-funding through Series B), and supporting 100s of early-stage founders through the communities at On Deck and Unreasonable Group.

Last year, I joined the team at AIM to help build the Founding to Give program, which helps people start high-impact for-profit tech startups.  

AIM’s Founding to Give program aims to launch for-profit startups that create impact through two ways:

  1. Build a startup, exit, and donate to effective charities (similar to earning to give)
  2. Direct positive impact created through the startup

AIM’s research and Founder’s Pledge data show high expected value (EV) for the first route, but this specific post is about the lesser-explored route of direct impact through for-profit companies.

Note: Applications are open for the next cohort of Founding to Give – deadline is August 1st. You can learn more here, and apply here.

Summary

Overview: The Bull & Bear Case

  1. The Bull Case – Significant, “Free” Impact: There are examples of for-profit companies that create significant, direct, measurable impact, and they require $0 of philanthropic giving.
  2. The Bear Case – Irrelevant Impact: There are strong tensions between the incentives of a for-profit and direct, measurable impact that make them incompatible.  Solving many problems in global health and development, animal welfare, and beyond is impossible to do via for-profit companies.
  3. My take: Both of these things can be true, depending on the context. Meaning that some problems can only be solved effectively by nonprofits,  and, in some cases, for-profits can create significant direct impact (and this route is currently under-explored).  

Reasons often given for why for-profits can’t have significant impact (and their counterexamples)

#1 “You can’t serve two masters”  

The idea is that for-profit companies have to optimize for profits, so it’s impossible that they could optimize for impact too.

#2 “Show me a for-profit that is solving for rural malaria prevention” 

The idea that for-profit companies don’t touch the most crucial problems.

#3 “For profits can’t solve problems for those suffering the most” 

The idea that for-profit companies require paying customers; those suffering the most can’t pay, and therefore the two are at fundamentally odds.

#4 “But what about the perverse incentives that will inevitably emerge”

The idea that even if the founder is impact-driven and rational, investor pressure or market dynamics eventually win.

#5 “It would have happened anyway” 

The idea that if there’s a commercial opportunity, someone else will build it anyway. Or the idea that if a company already exists in the space, the counterfactual impact of another is low or zero.

#6 “DuoLingo is designed to keep you using the app, not to deliver real learning outcomes”

The idea that for-profit companies are not impactful if they are oriented towards retention or other business-related metrics rather than other outcomes.

Some ideas for where for-profits might be able to create significant direct impact 

At AIM, the team has done some research and BOTEC case studies to estimate the expected value of impact created by some for-profit companies. These BOTECs require some very subjective inputs (e.g. counterfactuality discount) and estimates around key data (e.g. number of people served).

Based on this research, here’s a short starting list of examples and case studies I’d like to look into further:

Some ideas for where for-profits might be able to uniquely contribute to the impact ecosystem 

As an additional benefit beyond “direct impact” as shown in examples above, here are some ideas on unique advantages that the incentives/model of for-profits could be well-suited for.

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Judith Rensing @ 2025-07-11T15:55 (+12)

I would just like to say publicly how excited I am about the Founding to Give program and team (Trish & Jacintha) and about how thoughtfully you're exploring different ways to create a better world through for-profits. I was really excited about the "create BIG company & donate % of big exit" initial plan and I am really excited about the current research and cheap experimentation you're doing into other ways to do it.

Looking forward to hopefully seeing us EAs engage more with the for-profit space for impact and reading more thoughts / ideas by other folks!

Patrick Mayerhofer 🔸 @ 2025-07-15T07:45 (+8)

As a graduate from the Founding to Give 25' cohort, I would highly recommend anyone to look into this program. Not only did I learn a massive amount about building and growing a business, but also about how to think about a life with impact in general. 

Amazing post Trish! 🚀

Brad West🔸 @ 2025-07-11T16:27 (+7)

Great post, Trish – appreciate the thoughtful exploration of direct-impact for-profits.

Some thoughts:

EA lens on operational impact: While there's significant investment in "doing good through operations" (B-Corps, social enterprises, etc.), most aren't applying EA cost-effectiveness bars. A company might proudly reduce carbon emissions at $500/ton when that same money could remove 500x more CO2 through other interventions. There's room for more rigorous impact evaluation within operational models and I am also excited to see EA interest in this!

Subsidizing positive externalities: Your framework assumes profitable ventures, but what about cases where massive positive externalities justify subsidies? If a venture generates $10M in social value but loses $1M annually, that's still a 10:1 social return. Traditional impact investing struggles here (expects returns), and traditional charity struggles too (not set up to run businesses). Could be worth exploring hybrid models where philanthropic capital subsidizes high-externality ventures that can't quite reach profitability (of course would have to consider the extremely high counterfactual potential impact of the dollar to effective charities).

Profit for Good as complementary lever: Beyond operational impact, there's the neglected question of where profits flow. Profit for Good (PFG) companies compete normally but lock 90%+ of profits to charity through ownership structures. This creates interesting dynamics: (1) no operational tradeoffs needed since the business still maximizes profit, (2) "charity choice" effects where consumers preferentially buy from companies funding causes over enriching shareholders, creating competitive advantages, (3) philanthropic multiplier where $1 invested can generate many times that for charity over time. Humanitix (event ticketing) has donated $16.5M AUD while taking market share from Ticketmaster – not through guilt but through better user experience plus the fact that event organizers prefer funding education over enriching monopolists. The model needs mission-aligned capital (VCs want returns), but for the right contexts it should multiply philanthropic funding. Happy to share research on this if helpful. (here's my blog post on this competitive advantage thesis).

Jason @ 2025-07-15T13:57 (+2)

In theory, many hospitals and universities in the US should fit into the "positive externalities" model -- they significantly rely on both program service revenue and subsidies from private donors. My understanding is that nonprofit hospitals and universities are often poorly governed, so I'm curious whether this is related to the serving-two-masters problem as opposed to sector-specific pathologies.

ETA: Someone who knows more than I do about microfinance may be able to comment on how  experience with microfinance orgs updates toward or against the subsidizing positive externalities in a unprofitable business model being viable more generally.

Brad West🔸 @ 2025-07-15T14:47 (+4)

Re subsidizing positive externalities: I'm not necessarily suggesting that typical instances of external subsidization of businesses with positive externalities are particularly impactful, just that there may be possible cases, especially if we are looking for opportunities from an EA lens. 

Borys Pikalov @ 2025-08-24T21:50 (+1)

Some ideas / sectors for impactful businesses:

Concerns:

On a side note, I think it’s useful to design an impact-focused business in a way that makes “value drift” less likely, e.g., by incorporating as a benefit corporation, having a stakeholder representation on a Board and/or an ethics committee, explicitly tracking impact, and nurturing positive corporate culture. I also speculate that worker cooperative model reduces propensity to engage in rent-seeking, but don’t have good evidence for that.

JacinthaBaas @ 2025-09-18T09:58 (+1)

Thanks for this Boris! Very interesting. We’re exploring a couple of ideas broadly in this space.

  • We think essentially all ideas that get more investment into LMICs are interesting from an impact perspective; we’ve heard a number of angles on this. It’s a bit of a challenge to make sure you develop something ‘at the right level’, because the current state of development of the investment markets in most LMIC would require very highly risk-tolerant capital (which there currently is not a lot of), so we think solutions are more promising if they would plausibly lead to a higher total volume of investment coming in (e.g. if the founder comes from the investment side and has their eyes on concrete investors that are currently not investing in LMIC but would if X or Y was the case)
  • I’ve noted some of your ideas on our long list to explore! As I think you also flag towards the end of your comments, I think a couple of these would likely be interesting if we were to get applications from founders with deep domain expertise in these topics. We have had some people in the pipeline with experience in e.g. privacy-preserving identity proofs so that might be interesting to dig deeper into once we’re more clear on our top candidates.
  • We will definitely explore ed tech models; I like these examples that you gave. It will be interesting to see if some of the more commercial edtech successes in Western companies can translate to more LMIC markets where we would expect that effect on educational outcomes will be much larger but the spending on edtech solutions is likely much smaller; we’re exploring a couple of different ways to monetize.

Thanks again! We might post some of the results of our research into specific ideas on the forum at a later point!

Nicoll Peracha 🔸 @ 2025-07-22T06:09 (+1)

Insightful! Thanks for writing this.