AI Safety Europe Retreat 2023 Retrospective

By Magdalena Wache @ 2023-04-14T09:05 (+41)

This is a crosspost, probably from LessWrong. Try viewing it there.

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Magdalena Wache @ 2023-08-09T12:17 (+21)

Update: We did a follow-up survey 4 months after the retreat, asking participants what impact the retreat had on them. Here is a summary of the responses:

(Note that the survey consisted of a free text field, and the categories I made up for summarizing the results are pretty subjective. Also note that some people mentioned that they started projects or applied for things, but would have done so even without the retreat. I did not include those in my count.)

I think these results are really helpful to improve the picture of how such a retreat is valuable for people!

The biggest surprise for me is the amount of tangible results (research collaborations, getting into SERI MATS, concrete projects, career changes) that came out of the retreat. There were 9 people who said in the feedback form that they want to start a project as a result of the retreat (the form they filled out right at the end of the retreat). I would have guessed that maybe 5 would actually follow through after the initial motivation directly after the retreat has worn off. And I think that would have been a very good result already. Instead, it was more than 9 people who started projects after the retreat!

I still have the intuition that the more vague effects of the retreat (such as feeling part of a community) are really important, potentially more so than the tangible outcomes. And these vague things are probably not measured very well by a survey that asks “What impact did the retreat have on you?”, because it is just easier to remember concrete than vague things.

Overall, these survey results make me even more excited about this kind of AI safety retreat!

OllieBase @ 2023-04-14T09:56 (+12)

This is awesome - thanks for running this and sharing your experience!

CEvans @ 2023-04-14T15:44 (+4)

This seems cool, thanks for running it!

What was the primary route to value of this retreat in your opinion? I'd be curious to know whether it was mainly about providing community and thus making participants more motivated, or if there were concrete new collaborations or significant individual updates derived from interactions at this retreat.

Magdalena Wache @ 2023-04-15T10:17 (+4)

I think the value comes from:

  • connections made
    • participants made 6.7 new connections on average (Question in the feedback form was "How many additional people working on AI safety would you feel comfortable asking for a small professional favor after this retreat? E.g. having a call to discuss research ideas, giving feedback on a draft, or other tasks that take around 30 minutes..."). 
    • 18 people mentioned  their plans to reach out to people from the retreat for feedback on posts or career plans, for research discussions or for collaborations.
  • motivation boost
  • projects/collaborations started
    • 9 people mentioned projects (Writing posts, doing experiments, and field building projects) they would start as a result of the retreat.
  • participants getting a better map of the space
    • which people exist, what kinds of things they are good at, what they have worked on, what you can ask them about. 
    • What projects and what research exist. 
    • A general sense of "getting more pieces of the puzzle". 
    • I think this is hard to measure, but really valuable.

I find it hard to say which of these is most important, and they are also highly entangled with each other

carmenmedina @ 2024-03-06T10:29 (+1)

Question number 2: Did you have any processes in place to keep the epistemic standards/content quality high? If so, what were those? Or were these concerns implemented in the selection process itself (if there was any)?

I've heard at least from one AIS expert (researcher & field-builder) that they were concerned about a lot of new low-quality AIS research emerging in the field, creating more "noise". 

Even if that is not a concern, one can risk distracting people from pursuing high-impact research paths if persuasive lower-quality ones are presented (and there is an added social pressure/dynamics at play).*

From your results, it seems like this was not the case, so I'm very curious to hear the secret recipe to potentially adapt a similar structure :) In theory, I'm all for the unconference format (and other democratic initiatives) but I can't help to worry about the risks related to giving up quality control.

*- I know it can be hard to assess promising vs dead-end directions in AIS.
 

Magdalena Wache @ 2024-03-12T10:45 (+2)

Epistemic standards: We encouraged people to

  • notice confusion, ask dumb questions and encourage others when they ask questions (to decrease deferring of the type "This doesn't make sense to me but the other person seems so confident so it must be true")
  • regularly think about solving the whole problem (to keep the big picture in mind and stay on track)
  • reflect on their experience. We had a reflection time each morning with a sheet to fill out which had prompts like "what are key confusions I would like to resolve" "What is my priority for today" etc

Content Quality: It depends on what you mean by content quality, but I think having a high bar for session content can actually be a bit detrimental. For example one of the sessions I learned most from wasn't "high quality" - the person wasn't an expert and also hadn't prepared a polished presentation. But they knew more than I did and because the group was small I could just ask them lots of questions and learn a lot that way. 
We also encouraged people to leave sessions when they don't find them the best use of their time in order to ensure that people only listen to content they find valuable. We got the feedback that people found that norm really helpful.
 

carmenmedina @ 2024-03-13T10:10 (+1)

Those seem like great practices and I'm happy people actually applied them! (E.g. I've experienced people not leaving sessions despite encouragement if there were no role models to model because it goes so much against social norms. This was the case of high school and university students, maybe more senior people are better at this :) )

carmenmedina @ 2024-03-06T10:17 (+1)

Such an interesting project! Thank you for organising it and sharing your findings.

The part that I was the most surprised about in that half of the participants were AIS researchers already working in the field. Do you know what their main motivation was behind joining the event? (Also happy to hear it directly from AIS researchers who attended the unconference and happen to see this comment!)

The reason I'm surprised is due to the following assumption about such researchers (simplified and exaggerated for the sake of clarity): 

They already are connected to other researchers or can easily connect to them and exchange high-quality ideas e.g. in London (since we are talking about researchers in Europe) -- What motivates them to attend an unconference in Germany instead, especially with a lot of junior people (who might have a lot of terrible/obvious ideas)?
 

Magdalena Wache @ 2024-03-12T10:25 (+2)

They already are connected to other researchers 

I think part of it is that networking is relatively hits-based: Most new connections don't make much difference, but meeting someone who is a good fit for collaboration or who gives you access to an opportunity can be really valuable. I don't think most researchers have hit diminishing returns on networking yet. Even if you already know 200 people in the field, getting to know 10 more out of which one is an "impactful connection" can make a big difference. For me it has also often made a difference to meet someone I already know again and get to know them better, and that ended up making a big difference for me.

or can easily connect to them

I think it's actually (relatively) hard to connect to people even if you have a decent network. If you want to meet someone new you can get an intro and then have a call with them, but I think there is a lot of friction to that, and it feels like you need a reason to do so. Meeting people at an event has a lot less "social overhead". If you want to talk to someone you just walk over and see how it goes, and if it's not productive you walk off again.

especially with a lot of junior people (who might have a lot of terrible/obvious ideas)

I'm not sure if "finding it useless to talk to junior people who have terrible or obvious ideas" is a problem people have? I didn't find anyone at the retreat "too junior" to be interesting to talk to (even though with different people the conversational dynamic would be more skewed towards me giving vs receiving advice depending on the other's experience level, but that seems fine to me). And if someone does find it uninteresting to talk to someone with less experience, they can still just end the conversation. Actually we had an explicit norm that it is perfectly okay to end conversations or leave sessions if you don't think they are the best use of your time at the moment.

carmenmedina @ 2024-03-13T10:15 (+2)

Excellent considerations! One of the reasons I assumed more senior people would not want to talk with more junior ones is because you keep hearing that AIS is mentor-constrained. However, your description made me update more towards the potential high value of these low-friction, "small social overhead" networking opportunities. Thanks a lot for the insights!