What comes after the intro fellowship?

By Vaidehi Agarwalla 🔸 @ 2022-05-05T00:57 (+41)

I found myself having the same conversation with several university group organisers during EAGxBoston, sharing the highlights since others may be facing similar challenges. This post (like the conversations I had) raise more hypotheses than answers, and a series of potential experiments the intrepid EA group could conduct. I hope this can spark more idea generation by providing a useful framing and hopefully pulling out the key challenges and what needs to happen to address them. 

The issue: Students want to do things during the school year, and do internships (and jobs) that have an impact, are meaningful (often this means EA-branded due to availability bias), but there are limited opportunities. 

An example: Aria is a second-year university student who participates in an Intro to EA fellowship at his university and finds it really interesting. She's ready to get involved and wants to do good with her spare time in college. However, she finds that there isn't much to do easily. What can Aria do?

Background assumptions

EA doesn’t have many things for students to do and demand for EA "branded" opportunities outstrips supply

You can address this by: 

Community builders want to encourage students to do certain activities but don’t have ready-made opportunities for them

Experiments

“... I think the way to mitigate potential negative effects of too rapid or indiscriminate growth might not be "grow more slowly" or "have a community of uniformly extremely high capability levels" but instead: "structure the community in such a way that selection/screening and self-selection push toward a good allocation of people to different groups, careers, discussions, etc." - Max Daniel

Here are some things that most university group organisers could experiment with: 

Here are some more ambitious programs we could run pilot MVP programs of: 


Miranda_Zhang @ 2022-05-07T18:44 (+4)

Thanks for writing this up - I definitely feel like the uni pipeline needs to flesh out everything between the Intro Fellowship and graduating (including options for people who don't want to be group organizers). 

Re: career MVP stuff, I'm running an adaptation of GCP's career program that has been going decently! I think career planning and accountability is definitely something uni groups could do more of.

Per Ivar Friborg @ 2022-05-25T22:03 (+1)

I'm glad to see that more people raise these points, and thank you for writing about them! I've been thinking about these things for over a year now, and I am in the process of writing two forum posts that will cover most of these points. The first post is about engaging students through projects focused on developing competence and planning their career. This post will likely be published within a week from now. The second post is about a model of engagement-driven student groups especially tailored towards giving students opportunities to do good during their studies. I expect this second post to be published late June. Both of the posts will be grounded in theories of motivation, the model used to organize EA NTNU, and data gathered from internal surveys. Hopefully, they will provide just the answers you need to start engaging the students at your university in meaningful projects despite the limited opportunities.

Meanwhile, here is a specific example of a project with good track record that you can now run at your university group, and here is a template you can use to outline your own projects. Additionally, here is an Overview of projects at EA NTNU that can give you a rough idea of an what an engagement-driven group can look like.  Note however, that the post about EA NTNU is outdated, which is why I am writing new forum posts. We have learned a lot since then, and I can't wait to share about our improvements!

Per Ivar Friborg @ 2022-05-25T22:10 (+1)

While I'm at it, I might as well share with you a suggestion I have made to Lizka about "[...] making a library of student projects at the EA Forum. This suggestion resulted from the post-EAG London 2022 GCP group organizers summit, where a bunch of group organizers expressed interest in making a library of student projects. The rationale behind this is that more an more student groups are transitioning to an engagement-driven model using project work as a funnel for engagement to EA. The success of engagement-driven groups is dependent on having promising projects to work with, which are not always easy to find, especially for student with little to no prior knowledge or experience. Instead of having engagement-driven groups spend time and energy on generating projects separately, I think we should have an international library of student projects that all groups can contribute to and use for inspiration for their own projects. My recent forum post - Successful student project for engaging with AI alignment - EA Forum (effectivealtruism.org) - is an example of a transferable project with good track record that is readily available for other groups to work on. I wish to see more sharing of repeatable projects with good track record, but instead of having them all as separate forum posts, I think it's a better idea to have them located in a dedicated library.

Initially, I want to hear your thoughts about such a library for student project. Is it something you think is valuable to spend time on developing?

Here is my suggested segmentation of such a library of student projects:
(Template for project descriptions)

  1. Transferable/repeatable projects with good track record
    1. Robert Miles' AI Safety Discord Channel & Stampy's Wiki
  2. Conditional projects with good track record
  3. Promising project ideas
    1. EA Outreach Through Ethics Classes
  4. Unexplored project ideas
  5. Projects with mixed track record
  6. Projects with poor track record "

Unfortunately, I have not yet received a response from Lizka, so getting feedback from you will be valuable for me to know if this is a good idea or not, and whether there actually is a demand among community builders to have such a library of student projects.  

more better @ 2022-05-06T00:19 (+1)

Vaidehi, Thanks for this post. I like these ideas and have wondered about this too. I like how you lay out possible operational models.
 

Miranda, what you are doing looks promising to me; thanks for sharing!