What’s going on with ‘crunch time’?

By rosehadshar @ 2023-01-20T09:38 (+91)

Also on LW here.

Imagine the set of decisions which impact TAI outcomes.

Some of the decisions are more important than others: they have a larger impact on TAI outcomes. We care more about a decision the more important it is.

Some of the decisions are also easier to influence than others, and we care more about a decision the easier it is to influence.[1] 

The influenceable decisions are distributed over time, but we don’t know the distribution:

It’s possible that in the future there might be a particularly concentrated period of important decisions, for example like this: 

People refer to this concentrated period of important decisions as ‘crunch time’. The distribution might or might not end up actually containing a concentrated period of important decisions - or in other words, crunch time may or may not happen.

Where the distribution does contain a concentrated period of important decisions (or at least is sufficiently likely to in expectation), crunch time might be a useful concept to have:

But we don’t know what the underlying distribution of decisions is. Here are just some of the ways the distribution might look: 

The fact that the underlying distribution is uncertain means that there are several ways in which crunch time might be an unhelpful concept:

What does all of this imply?

I think it’s helpful to imagine the distribution of decisions which impact TAI outcomes, and think about crunch time in that wider context. This helps to keep in frame that a) crunch time may not happen in any sense, and b) there are lots of different forms that crunch time could take.

Some other thoughts:

Thanks to Michael Aird, Adam Bales, Daniel Kokotajo, Jan Kulveit, Chana Messinger and Nicole Ross for variously helping me to think about this.
 

  1. ^

    Another thing which matters about the decisions is how predictable they are. I haven’t gone into that in this post, so predictability only features here at all to the extent that it’s hard to influence unpredictable things.

  2. ^

     I like this post, which defines crunch time as “The period where it's relatively more important to optimize for direct effects rather than P2B.”


     


Lone Pine @ 2023-01-22T05:24 (+25)

[Comment crossposted from LessWrong]

In this post you avoided giving any concrete examples, but I wanted to brainstorm what some of the major decisions are.

Feel free to add to this list.

jwpieters @ 2023-01-20T21:39 (+4)

I think this is a nice simple breakdown of the concept.

A nitpick - I think having digital graphs rather than these photos would be a big improvement

Sanjay @ 2023-01-20T09:58 (+4)

I think this can be a useful concept, so thanks for sharing. 

I think this post could be usefully expanded on in the following ways:

rosehadshar @ 2023-01-20T10:42 (+3)

Thanks Sanjay!

I agree that both of your bullet points would be good. I also think that the second one is extremely non-trivial - more like something it would be good to have a research team working on than something I could write a section on in a blog post. 

There's a sense in which there are already research team equivalents working on it, insofar as lots of forecasting efforts  relate to p(crunch time soon). But from my vantage point it doesn't seem like this community has clarity/consensus around what the best indicators of crunch time soon are, or that there are careful analyses of why we should expect those to be good indicators, and that makes me expect that more work is needed.

turchin @ 2023-01-20T22:45 (+1)

It also happens in personal life.